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The Ugly Truth about Islamophobia, and America has a Police Problem
Why do Muslims have to keep proving they aren't terrorists, while others get a free pass? This episode of the Last Neanderthals Podcast dives deep into the complexities of Islamophobia, police brutality, and media misrepresentation. We dissect the controversy surrounding Chris from MrBeast and his resurfaced racist and Islamophobic tweets. We explore the toxic role media plays in perpetuating harmful stereotypes and emphasise the need for critical thinking to combat misinformation.
Our discussion doesn't stop there. We take a hard look at police brutality and the pressing need for comprehensive reforms in law enforcement. Highlighting recent incidents and systemic failures, we discuss the lack of adequate training and the importance of psychological assessments for officers. In our final segment, we feature Palestinian content creator Yusuf, who shares his frustration over Muslims being unfairly labeled as radicals or terrorists. We reflect on the broader implications of these labels and the exhausting burden placed on Muslims to constantly denounce terrorism. Tune in for an episode filled with eye-opening conversations that call for awareness, empathy, and systemic change.
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Speaker 2:well done. I I'm happy as well. There's a lot of morbid stuff going on around the world, but got to keep on going innit. But let's get straight into what we wanted to talk about today. So Chris from MrBeast has been getting a lot of slack on social media at the moment because his past tweets have been resurfaced. These include racist tweets and a lot of Islamophobic tweets as well. Why are you smiling?
Speaker 1:Crazy because you said the police are after you.
Speaker 2:Biggest YouTuber in the world. He has like tens of millions of views every video, if not like 100 million views on his videos. Uh, and chris tyson has been his friend since they were very young. So, people, some people are questioning mr beast as well, who I don't think has commented on this, but well, let me read out one of the tweets, one of the threads that he posted. So in 2017, he posted between what happened at that Ariana Grande concert and what's going on in the Philippines, why do we even take islam serious?
Speaker 1:question mark what's happening in philippines?
Speaker 2:I don't know. Something must have been happening in 2017. And then he goes on to say that it's an old in like disrespectful worlds. He says it's an old, backward religion that hates anything different and treats women like guys at he's 21,.
Speaker 1:guys, At this moment he's 21.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then he says why do people still accept it? He was more disrespectful than the way I read out. He was like swearing and stuff, but I think it's interesting to have a look at this. So what do you think about this situation?
Speaker 1:interesting to have a look at this. So what do you think about this situation? I think for someone at the age of 21 to be making such jokes, um is very concerning. Uh, I think this was before the fame um I don't even think that's a joke.
Speaker 2:I think he was being serious with that, or?
Speaker 1:even if he was serious. Yeah, I mean to be to be honest, you're right, the amount of things you look at, you know. But I bet he thought he was funny as well like some of the stuff he has posted, you know.
Speaker 1:But he like there's a picture of twin, like a plane hitting twin tower.
Speaker 1:Oh, he liked the anime. Read the, the manga, which is like the mic, like the magazine, the anime magazine, and then there's a picture of, like Quran, like that is twisted, I can't lie, because there are 1.23 billion Muslims right that believe in Islam and he's assuming that that's what all the religion is about is terrorism, which is ignorance. But I think you know it shows the state of America that after 9-11, there was massive misinformation spread among the population that still hasn't been addressed. And it's also very unfortunate that there are people that misuse Islam and the media constantly picks that up, the misuse of Islam. But then I don't know if the information by the media is purposely, like, with bad intentions, promoted in a way that makes Islam look like a violent religion and a religion that doesn't believe in peace and things of that nature, or whether it's the people that can't differentiate between the people who are misusing the religion and the religion itself. Because surely I don't know. What do you think, what do you make of this, what do you think it is?
Speaker 2:I think the media definitely plays a massive role in this, because most people, like we've discussed before, don't really think for themselves. They just take the information they're given and make their conclusions from that. No one's out there, like most people, aren't out there reading the entire Quran and then thinking, oh, this is ridiculous. This guy's probably never read a page of it by the time he's making these comments. He's probably just spewing the hateful rhetoric that he sees in the media, just regurgitating it. And it is easy to see why it is understandable when the media is constantly demonizing muslims and islam div synonymized terrorist would be muslim. If anyone else commits a horrific act, they're just like mentally ill or like a lone gunman. If a brown person does it, no matter if he's even muslim, if he looks muslim or he's a terrorist.
Speaker 2:And I think this is really important to address because a lot of Islamophobes and people who are anti-Islam want you to believe that Islamophobia isn't racist. But that is just not the case. It's quite disingenuous because on the surface of it, yes, you can say that it's an ideology, it's not a race. However, the first person who was murdered after 9-11 in retaliation to that was a Sikh man called Balbir Singh Sodhi in America, because the guy who murdered him thought he was a Muslim, just because he was a brown man with a beard, and any brown looking man is now associated with Islam. So to say oh, it's not racist is just so ridiculous. Even people think Rishi Sunak, the Hindu prime minister of the UK, they think he's a brown man. So I think to use this defense to be hateful of Islam and Muslims and to say, oh no, I'm just criticizing the ideology it is the most blatant like cover-up ever yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:You know that was a flagrant podcast, the.
Speaker 2:Indian guy on there yeah.
Speaker 1:He faced a lot of discrimination as well. He was talking about it After 9-11,. He's Hindu Indian ethnicity, faced a lot of discrimination, gets called the P word. Yeah, it's a brown. The race is definitely involved in it. You are right, the race is definitely involved in it, you, you are right, um, how do you think we can go about combating islamophobia, because saying that, oh no, we're not racist, oh sorry, we know we're not terrorists it's simply not working. What do you think are some of the ways that um to combat this ignorance?
Speaker 2:I think, first of all, it does start with us, like, as a community, we do have to do more outreach, even though we're doing a lot and saying, no, this, this isn't us, and let's learn from the mistakes of others. I think let's not demonize the people who are even saying these things about us. Let's have these conversations, be open and understanding and try and change people's minds instead of just criticizing and then leaving them to continue thinking in these ways. Like we need to be having these conversations and I don't know. There needs to be some sort of shift in the media because, like, remember even that Australian, that guy in Australia who stabbed loads of people in the mall? The first reports that came out were saying all Muslim terrorist attack, all these high profile people on social media, oh, this is look, this is what Islam does, this is what Islam does, this is what Muslims do. Then it came out he wasn't even Muslim. It's just because he had a beard and in the pictures he looked like his skin looked a bit brown. They just thought, oh yeah, this is what Islam does. It's actually so crazy because imagine people were doing that for Jewish people, instantly cancelled.
Speaker 2:And these people have massive platforms, like you know Rachel Riley, the woman who does Countdown. She presents Is it the 60th? Yeah, the 60th second and you do maths and stuff. That's a show that loads of kids watch, like she's a very influential person and she's spewing hate like that, saying oh look, this is what Islam does. And she's still got her platform. She's still okay that julia hartley brewer on I think she's on talk tv, apparently, journalist same thing as soon as it came out, all her muslims, islam, all of this, and then no apologies afterwards, no, nothing, just oh, yeah, that's okay. Their, their audience, who doesn't look deeply into things Now probably does think, oh yeah, muslims did that. Look at what they do.
Speaker 1:There was also that Norwegian guy that did that shooting, do you remember?
Speaker 2:The.
Speaker 1:Christchurch mosque yeah, they didn't even call him terrorist, mentally ill and he was like a Christian extremist. Christ Church Mosque yeah, no, they didn't even call him terrorist, mentally ill and he was like a Christian extremist, yeah, yeah, but again, christianity is a peaceful religion. It doesn't tell you to go and kill innocent people. I think another thing this media needs to do, like people who genuinely want to combat this, is storytelling. There was this guy. It's a real life story. Um, there's a documentary on it. It's called a stranger at the gate.
Speaker 1:So this guy named mac. He served in iraq and he thought all muslims were basically cruel right, because he was there in a war, comes back with ptsd and he was going to blow up a mosque. Um, he started planning and everything and one day he actually went into the mosque and the way everyone embraced him there. He started finding, like you know, what. He started questioning himself and as time went on, he found a sense of community there and he actually then reverted to Islam. Like he became a Muslim, this white guy who was, literally he was pretty much going to blow them all up, and later on he tells the Muslims that you know, this was my initial plans and now he's an advocate going around the country, you know, saying like how ignorant he was and how he changed by interacting with Muslims. Another big issue with America or some of these Western countries is that they don't have any Muslim friends. They don't know any Muslims.
Speaker 1:They don't come across any. So there's such a foreign thing, and I feel like this is why diversity needs to be encouraged, because the same issues are found in Pakistan where, like in Pakistan, where it's just the demonization of America is taking place, this clash of civilization that the whole of West is bad and West is this. West is that, yeah, the Western warlords, and yeah, you can say the governments, yeah, but the people are just people. You get what I'm saying. Like they have their own problems, they're struggling, a lot of them are against what their governments are doing, but they can't Look at how many students are out for Palestine.
Speaker 1:But, again, when people say America is supporting this, they assume Some Muslims assume it's the whole of America, every single person who's American Is supporting the Israeli genocide, which isn't true. So this level of generalization, looking at things black and white, I don't know if that, like, I think education needs to do a better job of battling it, um, but I think also the education system, um, you know the way it's being controlled by, like the liberals in america and the conservatives. There's a lot of propaganda involved in that because, yeah, this, this idea of clash of civilization I don't know if you ever read huntington, theses that's something they wanted to push forward, like um, so huntington, was this guy involved in american politics?
Speaker 1:he had these theses that after the cold war, uh, the wars would be not like economical or political, they would be cultural and ideological. Right, so this like so he splits the world into a couple of civilizations, the Muslim civilization, you know, the China and America, and it's going to be like this battle of religion and like culture, right, and guess who else really loved this idea Of this? East versus the west is one civilization against the other, and not looking the complex, not looking at the complexities and you know the, the inner conflicts within what in those civilization borders he drew out of thin air, right. So another fan of this thesis was usan bin lad Laden. He loved it. He loved hunting this thesis, this idea that the whole of west is against us and it's us versus the Americans and the west. I don't know what the main intention, what's the long term goal is with this, promoting this clash between civilization. I would love to get your thoughts on it.
Speaker 2:Um, well, that's predicated on the assumption that they are promoting it, which I don't know. If that is, I'm not sure. I just don't know if that is what they are intentionally promoting. I don't know what their intentions are, so I can't really speak to that very much. What do you think if you've read up on it, so you might have some ideas?
Speaker 1:I think it. To an extent it did become a self-fulfilling prophecy because the narrative the bush administration administration was given this war on terror, using this blur term and going to the Middle East Exploring like, okay, the terror is taken in this civilization and there's a war on it, and then again the Middle East Doing the same thing, america the devil, just dividing these peoples and making this cultural war, that our culture is superior, our religion is superior, like this, this religious, you know superiority. That's like some, a lot of christians have it like oh, we're the true religion, and then islam is like we are the true religion, and then they're killing themselves over it or they're spreading hate over it. I don't know. I feel like there is profit to be gained by these people, so so I think it's definitely, to an extent, promoted.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. There's always, there's always power and control to be had through division. But I wonder what the bigger picture is. Is it global control, or do they want to control their own countries, their own civilization more by promoting this type of fear-mongering and this type of division?
Speaker 1:You couldn't look at it as anti-global movement. To be fair, like dividing, like civilization into west and like, because the thing is, globalization was serving america really well until china became so powerful. Now they want to make their chips in america. Biden's been talking about it. Everything needs to be, you know, made in america the taiwan situation so the globalists are kind of changing their mind. Some people are still on the globalist side, um, but yeah, there is definitely this narrative in american politics that, oh no, we need to like. You know they want that nationalism back, um, and it's initially. They love the idea of like free trade and all of that. You know dollar being like used all across the world. But, um, johnny harris has made a really good video on this. I recommend everyone watch this. So there is definitely a movement towards, uh, de-globalizing the world or the world.
Speaker 2:Okay, interesting. Um, speaking of America, there was another video that came out recently of just the police using basically trigger finger police in America, where something slightly unnerving happens and police just start shooting. If we can get the clip, we'll post it, and now. But for those of you listening, and the police just start shooting, if we can get the clip, we'll post it in now. But for those of you listening, what happened was that the policewoman had stopped this man. He had his hands on the steering wheel. She points his gun at him and she asked him I don't know, she said something to him. The guy gets scared. He's like why are you pointing your gun at him? And I just she asked him I don't know, she said something to him.
Speaker 2:The guy gets scared. He's like why are you pointing your gun at me? And then begins to drive off. As he's driving off, she starts shooting at him. Why, what, what? What is? Why is your intent there? Your first reaction oh shoot, let me harm him, let me kill him, even if he's a criminal, like a bad criminal. That that's not the way we do things in this time. Without due process and trial. You don't just go shooting someone unless he's going to directly harm you, which he's not. He was literally driving away from you. Why are you shooting?
Speaker 1:it's like they learn nothing from the george floyd situation yeah, but even not just that situation.
Speaker 2:There's so there's so many cases of police brutality against african-american people. This particular one, I don't think the guy was african-american, but there has been so many cases. Uh, there was one of a little boy who was shot eight times. Eight times. That's crazy. Not once, not twice. What makes you shoot a little kid eight times?
Speaker 1:And also remember the Aaron Bushner guy. Instead of when he was on fire, he started pointing the gun at the guy yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:And then, thankfully, the other guy did say there's some people with reason in the police for of force. Obviously the other police officers said I need a fire extinguisher, not a gun. But it's ridiculous to think that these people hold so much power, they hold so much authority and they have so little training and so little ability to show restraint. People say, oh, it's a hard job, you have to be understanding of the police, which you do. But because it's a difficult job, because it comes with so much responsibility, you do have to go above and beyond to protect these people. You are in the position of power, you are in the position of authority. You have been given this. You need to use it wisely. You can't just abuse it and start shooting people or throwing people around, and I think a major problem is that is, these people don't have adequate funding and they don't have adequate like vetting. Some of these people are just, many of them are racist and some of them just seem a bit psychotic.
Speaker 1:To be honest, yeah, I feel like they should start looking into, and I strongly feel like they should start looking into let me correct myself into like their personality traits, like anyone with like some kind of narcissistic personality trait. There's a way of testing these things right, like a proper interviewing phases, multiple, multiple, like tests, right Before they give someone a gun that kind of authority they give someone a gun, someone, that kind of authority.
Speaker 1:uh, there's also been case where police have, um, you know, um I don't know how to say this in a in a pg way, but like, try to assault women, you know, detain women and try to assault them like the the lack of training is, you know, a huge issue. Like, for example, if in that george floyd situation, if that guy knew jujitsu or things like that, they were trained because they should know self-defense, they should know things of that nature, they should be extremely fit, they should know how to deal with that kind of fear and pressure. People would argue some to be devil's advocate, right, that these people are fear, fair, they're on edge, they have to, like, ensure, like, they're safe at all times, but no, like they can't. You can't just pull out a gun, right, you need to be able to deal with that fear, um, so I think it comes from the place of fear. I think if they were sometimes sometimes.
Speaker 2:There is a lot of times where it is just purely hateful, spiteful, like the george floyd situation. The guy was restrained, he was on the floor, you, you didn't need to put your knee on his neck for that long and you don't need to shoot a kid eight times, just never. I think he was like 10 years old or something. And another case, the other case of the first there's another guy outside of the store. He was selling cds or something and he also got choked out. He was telling them I can't breathe, I can't breathe. And they just continued to choke him out. It's just ridiculous. In that case there's nothing to do with fear. The guy outside the cd shop was just one guy. He wasn't showing any, he wasn't resisting arrest or anything. They threw him to the floor. There was a couple of them.
Speaker 2:It's just excessive force. It's like these people want to hurt other people for some reason. I don't think a lot of them think, oh yeah, I'm gonna kill this guy. But it does seem like they want to like take some frustration or anger out on these people and fortunately, sometimes it leads to death. But, like you said that the training is a big thing as well. If people were trained to restrain people instead of just shoot them, a lot more people would live and survive these situations. Because the fear thing it is a valid. It is a valid thing to say safety thing.
Speaker 1:Yes, you should ensure your safety, but you should be trained enough to do that without having to kill someone yeah, I mean with this woman's case, right with the george floyd, and I think that's quite obvious, those were like prejudices and you know people had bad intentions. But with this woman, like why was she so paranoid? Like why, why could she not have a handle over over her fear? Why couldn't she stay calm in that scenario?
Speaker 2:that's because of lack of training, right yeah, that situation is weird as well, because the man had already drove off. I don't get why she would shoot in that, but he's gone. Why are you?
Speaker 1:shooting at the car to you like he's not going to you any longer and also like he he. He stopped like he.
Speaker 2:He got freaked out because she had a gun and if you're in America, imagine you're hearing all these stories of the police shooting so many people recklessly. Someone stops you police officer stops you and starts pointing a gun at you. Everyone's going to freak out and these aren't people who have been trained. These aren't people who've accepted the responsibility of being in that situation. They have been put in that situation. They have been put in that situation by the police officer. The police have accepted this job, they have accepted this responsibility and they still act like that, like I don't know yeah, it's very unfortunate man then they need to put the money in the right places.
Speaker 1:Like I think, if America wants to survive as a country, it really needs to re-educate its people, give them proper education. And the thing is, I'm not even I'm not anti-American and all of that, like, I mean, I'm against some of the people that are running the country, like, of course, that are pro-Israel, but I want, I want to, I want to wish the best for american people because when that country is doing well, honestly, like other countries do, also like benefit a lot of like muslims that are there, a lot of like you know, they're people at the end of the day, you want, you want to wish for best for everyone. And when america is like, when all of these things happening, it doesn't set a good example to the rest of the world because they are the superpower. Everyone is looking at them, even though it shouldn't be the case, but a lot of countries are looking at them as this, like I don't know, this role model of democracy and justice and all of these things, and it doesn't have any of those at the moment.
Speaker 2:That's what it looks like, or that's how it comes across in media, um I think, to be honest, it's lost too much of its credibility with the israel palestine situation, because you can't pretend to uphold democratic values and be the moral authority in the world whilst actively supporting a genocide like people have seen it for what it is now the veil of moral superiority that the west had, especially america, the land of the free, all of this, that stuff is gone, completely gone and the innocent americans are going to suffer because of that because, the world is globalized.
Speaker 1:These people have power everywhere. They got companies everywhere. The rich are going to be fine. I'm just worried about the poor Americans, and that includes the Christians there, that includes the innocent Jewish people, the Muslims, everyone right. Like you know, at the end of the day, like my interest is in the people and this whole, like this populist culture in their politics, it's so damaging.
Speaker 2:It's like a reality TV show man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a reality tv show at the cost of innocent but it's.
Speaker 2:It's also spreading throughout the world. You see, we saw it in pakistan a lot of populist politics, and uh, you're seeing it in the uk now as well, with nigel farage, who is also a populist leader and who's gaining a lot of momentum with the reform party. So I think there is some sort of some sort of seemed like crazy shift going on in the world where it is at a stage where everyone is at odds with each other. It's very divisive at the moment. It almost seems like we're on the brink of everyone just full-scale violence going after each other, because even on social media I've not seen people be so outwardly hateful to each other as I have in recent times. Like people are outwardly being anti-semitic, islamophobic, racist, everything else. They just don't care anymore. It seems like, because in the past, like six, seven years, it seemed like there was a real oh no, I can't say that. I need to be careful. Now it's like the wild west everyone's saying what's on their mind and there was that.
Speaker 1:I think his name is yusuf that um the palestinian content creator. Remember when I sent you that three minute video? Where he was like trying to embrace the. Call me radical, call me terrorist oh yeah things like. There are people I don't even care if they call these things and for so long muslims have like tried so hard like not to be called terrorists and all these things. And some of these people are like out of frustration, are like okay, at this point, call me these things.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, you know um, and that that's quite, that's quite. Uh, that's quite, that's quite bad. I can't lie. That's not the way. That's a quick solution.
Speaker 2:Muslims, or whatever people that are getting discriminated and they're misrepresented, they should fight till the end and not they should fight the labels the world puts on them to be fair, there's also a case to be made for discrediting the labels, just saying like I don't, I don't care about your labels anymore, call me whatever you want. I think he had some other contentious points in what he was saying. Um, but I don't think that is so bad to just be like I, I don't care about these labels that you impose on me anymore. They're meaningless. Because they have become meaningless when everyone else is okay, but brown people are all terrorists, that word losing its meaning. It doesn't mean anything anymore apart from oh, this is what we classify brown people as.
Speaker 1:But I won't call myself that though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I won't call myself that either. It won't call myself. I won't call myself it, either.
Speaker 1:It's meaningless. You can call me whatever you want, but I'm not going to be like oh yeah, fuck it, I am radical, I am terrorist. I won't say that you see what I mean there's a difference, right it's a slight difference.
Speaker 2:I would say if someone says that in frustration, I don't think it's a it's a slight difference. I would say it doesn't. If someone says that in frustration, I don't think it's that big of a thing. If their main point is that I don't care about these labels anymore, um, I don't.
Speaker 1:I think that is the main thing to take away from that but I wouldn't want to give the other side that power to have that weaponized against me. Do you see what I?
Speaker 2:mean, yeah, but also I think they're going to weaponize against you, whether you like or not. That's why I think it's more give them that opportunity, like I'd rather avoid that, that's that's not up to you, though they call every pro-palestine person a terrorist and a radical person and an extremist.
Speaker 1:Anyway, it's not up to you if, if, there is a rational middle and I'm saying, oh, I'm radical, I'm terrorist, I don't want to lose them because they're going to instantly discredit me, like some were open-minded, right that like, no, but I'll try to like, not like as a muslim, not embrace those terms. I won't embrace those terms. I'll be like oh, these labels have become pointless. I will say that, but I will not want to embrace those terms.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's definitely the more productive way to go about it, I would say. But you can also understand if, out of frustration, someone just says that because their emotions are running high. I don't think it's the best course of action, but I I don't think it's the best course of action, but I also don't think it's the end of the world if someone does it. To be honest, I think there's a lot like worse things that people have said and done, but definitely it's. You shouldn't go around screaming all this, I am am a terrorist and things like that. We should work towards discrediting these labels because they have just become a tool to use against Muslims Like, literally, people calling for peace were called terrorists.
Speaker 1:Wow. Do you think Muslims combat the terrorism that is done in the name of Islam? Enough Um.
Speaker 2:I don't know what they can do like. This is a. This is quite a western talking point because, um, you've seen all these people like Nigel Farage and all these white people saying, oh, I don't see Muslims calling out extremism and terrorism and ISIS and Al-Qaeda. I don't see Muslims doing this. But Muslims do do this and I shouldn't have to do this. They shouldn't have to have the burden of these other people on their shoulders.
Speaker 2:Every time someone does something, muslims all over the world there's two billion of them many of them go oh no, everyone's gonna say this about me. I'm gonna have to explain this to all my friends. That shouldn't be the case. They're not responsible and they shouldn't be made responsible. And every time something like this does happen, muslims all over the world do condemn it, but it shouldn't be part of their personality and their life to always be like, oh, I'm sorry for what this guy did, who pretends he's aligned with my religion. I just don't know. It will again give more fuel to those people, but the prominent figures definitely should, and a lot of them definitely do so. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's productive to give again to this extremist, anti-islam, islamophobic side, give them this whole thing of yeah, muslims aren't doing enough yeah, I mean you can same use the same logic for let's say um, you know how people demonize americans and americans shouldn't have to constantly be like, oh guys, I'm anti-establishment.
Speaker 1:Yeah exactly, and that's what the ci is doing. I'm against what the um, what trump's, not what biden for what Biden stands for what this guy stands for. Guys, look at me, I'm not a bad guy, Like a lot of people are having to justify that they're not bad people in this world.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and that's the point America has got to, where you have people feeling guilty just for being white and feeling like they have to overcompensate and go somehow above and beyond to show oh sorry guys, I'm one of the good white guys uh, yeah I don't think that's every good, whatever my ancestors yeah, just just be running generation yeah, just be a good, normal person. You don't have to treat me like a little kid. You don't have to treat any ethnic minorities like little kids who rely on your support and your uh like.
Speaker 2:It's just so patronizing to me when they're always like, oh yeah, give, do this for the ethnic minorities, do, yeah, everything they say is correct. Like, shut up, we can make our own way in this world. We don't need you to baby us anymore. Thankfully, countries like the uk have got to the point where there is a good level of equality. And, yes, be supportive of the good causes, but do it honestly. Don't be disingenuous and like do your performative acts, performative activism, to say you feel guilty about being white and all of this stuff. I think that's just so ridiculous. It's patronizing.
Speaker 2:It's uh, I wrote about um, what's it called? Deference? Where, basically? So there is this scholar who is writing about racism and the experience of black people in a specific field. He did all the research, he wrote everything and then he emailed his black colleague and said oh, I just came to the realization that I think it would be better for you to publish this. Here's all my work, here's all my notes because that guy's black. It's so patronizing. Did he even say, oh, let's work on this together? I would love to hear your perspective. Just have all my work. You do it. Do you know what I mean? It's like he's a little kid like oh yeah, sorry, here you go yeah, you guys need it more than I do type of.
Speaker 2:Thing yeah, exactly, it does probably come from a good place, but it's just really patronising, it's really belittling so some people don't even know how to help. Yeah, exactly but, um, sorry for that waffle and rant. I think we should call it a day yeah, we should.
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