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The Real Winner of UK's General Election
In today’s episode, we talk about the UK election in which Labour won by a landslide, but not because they were the favorite or the best party. We take a deep dive into the statistics of the election and what they say about the current political sphere of the UK. We give our take on why and how Labour was able to win this election and why the Tories lost. Furthermore, we discuss concerns regarding the Reform Party earning a massive share of the vote and how that can negatively impact the UK. We hope you learn something from this conversation, as we did.
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Welcome to Last Neanderthals podcast. Today we're going to be talking politics. Keir Starmer is the new Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Labour has absolutely smashed the elections. How do you feel about this, wally?
Speaker 2:So this is about take four or five messing up the intro, but, as I said to you before, I don't know how to feel yet, because, not only in this country, but all around the world, politicians always make so many promises I mean, that's their job to speak well, to convince people but we have to see action, we have to see what they do and what they actually deliver, because we've seen time and time again people say they're going to change the country, they're going to fix the NHS, they're going to change the country, they're going to fix the nhs, they're going to fix the housing crisis, all of these amazing, wonderful things, but we'll see what is actually going to happen.
Speaker 2:I think it's no surprise that clear star one everyone's been saying it for the past more than six months now that when the election happens, labour is definitely going to win. But interestingly, when you look at the numbers, it seems like Labour aren't really more popular than they were previously. It's just that the Tories are very, very unpopular, which is also something I have been saying to everyone for the past year that if Labour wins the election, it's not because Keir Starmer or Labour is now more popular post-Jeremy Corbyn, but actually the Tories are just so incredibly unpopular that if Labour don't win, something has gone truly wrong.
Speaker 1:Yeah, your prediction was perfect. Like you got it spot on.
Speaker 2:How do you feel I mean?
Speaker 1:I'm glad that there's a change, right? Uh, you kind of sometimes feel hopeless because you know they are the. You know like say, it's same side of the same coin, two sides of the same coin. Yeah, yeah, fully messed up, um. But the thing is, it's like I'm glad there is change and um, I've always been a supporter of labor party. Um, this year, just especially after what happened with palestine and how they abstained from ceasefire and kirsten kirstmer's attitude towards that, it's very concerning because the thing is, I hope Keir Starmer is great for the country, but also I hope he's also great for foreign affairs as well. One can only hope, because if you have foreign problems, they're going to come and bite you in the butt. You can't just be an angel to your own people and then be involved in dirty politics outside your country. So I hope this labor government is sensible. Sorry, this labor government is sensible, um, and you know they. They are good for both the country and for the other countries yeah, definitely that, definitely that was, I think, a massive factor.
Speaker 2:What's going on in Gaza, a big factor in why a lot of people didn't vote for Labour and also why a lot of people just didn't vote in general, because I think a lot of people just felt really, really hopeless. This was one of the lowest voted turnout in the UK ever, so Labour won the election by a huge majority in terms of seats they won 412 seats, which is massive. However, their votes share only increased by 1.6%.
Speaker 1:That's not good. That's not good, that's not good, which is crazy and their actual votes fell.
Speaker 2:In 2017, I think they had more than 12 million votes. In 2019, they had over 10 million votes, and then this year they had 9.7 million votes, which I mean it's not really good. It's not a great trajectory for the Labour Party.
Speaker 1:Even though they won.
Speaker 2:You do have to wonder what does this hold for the future? And speaking of that, new Party Reform got an astounding number of votes. Yeah, they got, I think, four million votes in total. They got 14 of the share. Yeah, they got 14 of the share. Party got 24 percent vote share. So the reform party which, for those of you who don't know, is quite a right leaning, very anti-immigration some some people may say fascist party, led by nigel farage, who spearheaded the the Brexit movement, they got 14% of the vote. And the previous party, who was in control of the UK for the last 14 years, the Conservatives they got 24% of the vote share, which, I mean, it's only a 10%. It's only a 10% difference.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and, by the way you, you spoke absolutely facts at the beginning that labor didn't win because the conservatives that sorry that they are so great, because the conservatives have been so unpopular. They compared to last year, oh sorry, the last 251 seats, yeah, 251, which is, which is crazy man yeah yeah, and yeah, that those votes it seems like weren't really gained by by labor, because labor only.
Speaker 2:They went from having, uh like a 33% vote share or 32 point something percent vote share to a 33.8% vote share. Um, so I think, from a 32.2% to a 33.8% and their seats increased by over 200, I think 211 or something seats they gained, which is just astounding, like having that kind of a majority in parliament. It sets them up to basically do whatever they want. So they're now in a position where they can truly bring a lot of change in the country. They can bring a lot of good. So there's really no excuses moving forward here. The trouble is, I think, personally, if they don't do well these next four years, I think more and more people are going to look towards Reform UK, because I don't think people want the Conservatives back for a long time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're not coming back and I mean they lost, I think, most of their votes to reform, which is very worrying because the Conservatives, you could say, are becoming radical.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, maybe, possibly, but I also think a lot of people are slightly ill-informed about the Reform UK party. People like Nigel Farage he's an outgoing guy, he went on. I'm a celebrity, he's charismatic. He's a populist leader like Donald Trump People like these types of guys.
Speaker 2:They don't really know his policy that well. They don't know Reform Party was just formed. They do not know all those people who are standing for those seats. They don't know the councillors, the campaigners. A lot of these people, unfortunately, are very racist. Maybe Nigel Farage is not himself. Some of the things he's said suggest otherwise troubling party, I would say, as of right now, and if Labour don't do well, they're going to, I think, maybe be in contention to win the next election. If these next four years people get tired of Labour and Labour don't make much progress, then Reform's really going to be a candidate. Because they just formed and they took 14% of the votes, they only got seven seats because that vote was spread out all over the country. They came second in like over 90 seats, which is crazy. They could have had it.
Speaker 1:It's massive. So also Liberal Democrats. They got a good share as well, compared to how they've been doing. Do you know much about that party? I don't know much about them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to be fair, they've got some really good policies. However, they got a decent share, nothing extraordinary compared to what they usually get. They got 12% of the vote, which is fairly normal for them. They've been an established party for a while. However, they got 71 seats because they targeted very specific areas where they didn't need as many votes to win the seat and where they knew they could win.
Speaker 2:So, for example, there could be one constituency with 5,000 people where I only need, like, let's say, 2,500 votes to win, because the rest of the votes can be spread out among other parties. That's one seat for me with 2,500 votes. There might be another constituency with 40,000 people where I need 30,000 votes to win that constituency. So for the first guy to get a seat, he only needs 2,500 votes in this hypothetical, but for the second guy to also get a seat, he needs 30,000 votes. So because of the electoral system in the UK it's called first-class-to-post people can get a lot of seats like this, and some other people, some other parties, get messed around a little bit because of this system as well.
Speaker 2:So reform are big advocates for something like proportional representation, which would make the seats be more representative of the vote share. So the idea is, if they get 14% of the vote, they should have 14% of the seats, or around 14%. Right now, they've got 14% of the vote, but they've only got four seats, which I mean is really low. When you see Lib Dem've got 14% of the vote, but they've only got four seats, which is really low. When you see Lib Dem have got 12% of the vote and they've got 72 seats, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:Another thing I wanted to check on was the other section, which is independent. So a lot of people have also voted for independent candidate because of the gaza situation and and you know this is there's a new movement uh beginning, uh beginning to take place. Do you think so? When you win as an independent uh candidate, where do you get the support and the funding for in order to support your constituency? Like I don't know, I don't quite understand what it's like to be a candidate that stands independently you still get the support, the funding for the constituency from the government.
Speaker 2:Uh, however, they would need donors and stuff to support their campaigns, to fund their campaigns. But it's the same. You get your council. Your constituency will get its funding from the government, but it will be very hard for an independent to make nationwide change, because if you're bringing policy forward, you need people to vote with you to bring that forward. So this is why you always see labor. All the mps will vote for the same thing. Conservatives, they'll vote for the same thing. Even if labor brings a good motion, the conservatives will vote against it because they don't want labor to pass. A good thing.
Speaker 2:Now Labour's got 412 seats, so they can just get everything done that they want basically. So you'd expect there to be a lot of progress in these next four years. If Labour do a good job For the independents, yeah, they just have to maybe align just whatever aligns with their political views. They'll vote yes on that. Vote no on things they disagree with. But widespread, as an individual, it's hard to bring about policy. They can still do a lot of good things, but it's hard to bring about policy changes, um, but yeah, speaking of independence, jeremy Corbyn, uh, one in Islington North, his constituency, which I mean, seems like a good guy man.
Speaker 1:I'm happy for him on many, many issues. I like I'm a bit socialist, you get me and he gives me such vibes. Some would call him communist, yeah, some would call him too left, I don't know. I feel like when in the recent politics in this country the right has gone quite a bit right, that even if you were centered, you kind of looked like you were quite left. Does that make sense? It's like a difficult yeah, both.
Speaker 2:Both sides are very polarized the the far left will call anyone in the center right wing and the far right will call anyone yes the left wing.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, both sides are playing the same game. But, yeah, I'm happy for jeremy colby and he took a very um, I think powerful stance on the gaza situation and has done for a long, long time now, whereas kirsten has just been disgraceful in regards to that. I think there's been a lot of things coming out from people like Loki showing his connections to specific lobbies and specific groups, which is really interesting as well. It'll be interesting to see what he does, but I've always supported Labour. I cannot bring myself to support Keir Starmer.
Speaker 2:He just seems like not the type of leader I would want to support, because when so many people are being killed, all you can say is oh yeah, they do have a right to defend themselves. It's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when more than 35 innocent people, 37,000 innocent people, have died, right at least to vote against ceasefire. Not to stand against ceasefire like that's. That's crazy to me, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah to stand against the ceasefire and it's not like it was a one-sided ceasefire. That only is. Israel has to put down their arms. It's just a ceasefire. Stop killing people, stop killing each other. To be against that is, I think, ridiculous. In almost every case, liberal Democrats have taken a good perspective on Palestine. They are, I think, the only party who said they will recognize Palestine as a state and called for a ceasefire as well, apart from the Green Party, the only established party. If I can say that the Green Party don't really get that many seats, lib Dem have got 72 seats, so that's quite significant, and they're calling for a ceasefire. They're calling to recognise Palestine as a state, which is a good thing. They've got some other disagreeable policies as well, but I mean positive. The Conservatives. No one likes them. We don't like them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm glad they're out. I can't lie, was it Liz Truss?
Speaker 2:Yeah, she lost.
Speaker 1:Boris as well, man during his leadership during Covid. The double standard, the lies, the incompetency, the parties yeah, you know what that guy is just a mess man.
Speaker 2:Rishi Sunak has got a lot of slack, but he's definitely done a good job compared to those two, compared to his recent predecessors. Um, liz truss was obviously embarrassing. She was only in there for 40 days and then she's gone on this like far right. Uh, embarrassing campaign trying to appeal to people in america trying to sell her book. Uh, it's, yeah, I don't know what she's doing.
Speaker 1:They do this thing, man, these prime ministers, especially the unpopular ones, they go after doing public speak, speaking and releasing a book it's like I mean, what have you done? You were just in the thing for 40 days like what were you speaking about?
Speaker 2:yeah, but even the things she was saying, like she was, uh, the guy was the guy next. She's a former prime minister. The guy next to her was like bigging up, tommy robinson, and she was just there like nodding her head along, like yeah, like she's, or this is a former prime minister of a country, showing support for a figure like that yeah, fascist figures it is very upsetting.
Speaker 1:You know, part of me felt like, you know, when Rishi Sunak became a prime minister. It was great because he was a brown guy, Indian guy, it's good to see that representation. But it was almost like, you know, let's say we have messed up, the native white people have messed up. Maybe let's bring him in and let him, like, hold on to anti-immigration narrative.
Speaker 1:I don't know. This is me going very like. I don't believe this, but it's almost like, oh, how convenient. Like you guys left him that much mess and we saw in the government, like the you know the way Kiyosama spoke, spoke about Bengali people and what Naisal Faraj and all these like anti-immigration narrative is saying, like I don't know man, I like I don't know man, I don't want to think that way.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I, to be fair, he was in running for the leadership of the party. Uh, against list trust as well. I do, I don't know. That's just party policy in general to be anti-immigration for them. Um, I think a figure that definitely is propped up because she does that is Suella Braverman. She is so hateful towards immigrants. The stuff she said, even about Muslims in this country, was just disgusting. She just seems like a very hateful person and I think she is being used as a token by the Conservative Party. Because she's brown, they think she can say what all of them want to say, but they can't. They send her out to say these ridiculous things about Muslims, about immigrants. She brought forward the Rwanda policy. I think there's definitely a bit of tokenisation going on, like let the brown person do the dirty work, everyone will be.
Speaker 2:That's what I was trying to say with rishi sunak, as all this tokenization politics, yeah possibly, but I I don't know how well him it works, him being like the or the face of the party, because like people, just don't like brown people. Like people on the right, they don't like brown people. Like people on the right, they don't like brown people. With Suella Braverman it works because they're like oh yeah, no, she's not prime minister, she's just in parliament and she's hating all these brown people. She's getting them sent to Rwanda. She's fantastic. We can say look, we're not racist, the brown person thinks the same way, but she's not my prime minister, she's not my leader. There's something in the subconscious there, Whereas someone literally said to Rishi Sunak he was doing an interview with someone that I don't think actually I can't remember if she said it directly to him or she said it about him that she likes him but she wouldn't vote for him because he's not white wait, wait.
Speaker 1:Can you say that again?
Speaker 2:I just meant someone said about Rishi Sunak or may have even said it to him, it's slipping my memory now that she likes him, but she's not going to vote for him because he's not white. He's not white British. Damn, yeah, and this was like a public figure, this wasn't just like some random person. That's crazy man.
Speaker 1:Well, I hope things change with Labour government man and I hope Keir Starmer actually changes his views on the Palestine issue. You know, one can only hope that he played a political game, but I don't know, that's wishful thinking, that's very much wishful thinking. I hope Labour does like take a good stance on foreign issues. I'm not even just saying palestine issue. When I mean palestine, I mean any foreign issues, any like they shouldn't be supporting wars anyway, right, yeah, new country and keep good, good foreign like. Have good foreign affairs, um, and good international policies, um, like, for example, the way un were like okay with you know which is the UN, the five major countries that gets the veto and gets the massive say they allowed for the Taliban wishes to not have women in the conference that took place in Doha to be involved. Like the UN was okay with it. So UN is meant to be like this. The UN was okay with it. So UN is meant to be like this beacon of morality and beacon of human rights, oh, compromising with the Taliban.
Speaker 2:It's just crazy. Well, they've done even worse with the Palestine situation. Loads of kids and worse with the palestine situation loads of kids and women that are being slaughtered all the time. And you always have america who vetoes, vetoes, uk abstains or they think they're not as bad because they abstain, like it's it's. You saw so many children getting killed in the most gruesome, horrific ways, so many children losing their entire families, most gruesome, horrific ways. So many children losing their entire families, people losing their homes, people starving, no sanitation, no water, and the US just vetoes the deal to get them help to bring forward a ceasefire.
Speaker 1:I mean, the Palestine thing is absolutely absurd.
Speaker 2:And then, when the war criminals are being held to account, the US is trying their best to not make it happen, to try and support Benjamin Netanyahu through that. It's so ridiculous. I think that is on a. The level of depravity that is going on in this situation is incomparable to anything we've seen. They have not been this openly, just one-sided, in anything else. No one has ever been allowed to murder on this scale and cause this much harm, and the Western world has just supported it openly. Usually they do stuff like this behind closed doors and they don't want people to see and they want to uphold that idea of being like the moral beacons of the world, like you said. However, with this they've just completely disregarded that the whole world is out on the streets calling for a ceasefire, calling for peace, and they're just like, nah, we don't care.
Speaker 2:To the point that even they're vilifying their own students and their own campuses, including thousands of Jewish students and tens of thousands of Jewish people all over the world. They're vilifying them as well, labeling them as anti-Semites as well, just to support Israel.
Speaker 1:Or traitors.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:What shocks me about the Doha situation, though, is like yeah, un has been involved in shady things, like, for example I mean, in some regards they haven't but us, let's speak, let's speak for us, right? They've been involved in so many wars vietnam war, so many iraq, unethical wars. Now this palestine war that they're you know, israel, they're funding israel, but they've always been like, when it came to women rights, like they always are like this, you know, ultra like feminist and in good, it's a great thing for their own country. But for them to like say yes to the they always are like this, you know, ultra like feminist and good, it's a great thing for their own country. But for them to like say yes to the Taliban, for women not to be allowed, like that was crazy to me, because I'm like OK, you guys are funded wars anyways, that's how you make most of your money, especially in America, with the way they sell weapons is crazy, right, but women rights like for it to not matter to them anymore.
Speaker 2:That was quite wild can't I I don't know what the situation there is Like maybe to bring them to the table? They had to make a concession to them and be like, oh, go on then and then start the negotiations. So I don't know what the actual situation was, but yeah, you should uphold your values and your beliefs. So it is poor from them. What it really shows is they have no power in any situation. If they're being strong-armed by brutes all over the world to do whatever they want, then what is the point of the UN? If the UN holds no power and holds no weight, what is the point?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's what people are starting to realise.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly. But yeah, we will see what Kirith Thalma does. But yeah, we will see what Keir Starmer does. We can be hopeful, but it seems like he is not representing himself. It seems like he's just doing his funders, his donors, bidding. He doesn't have a backbone. No one really knows what he stands for and what he does. I haven't seen one person who's like oh, I really like Keir Starmer, I'm going to vote for and what he does. I haven't seen one person who's like oh, I really like Keir Starmer, I'm going to vote for Keir Starmer, I really like what he stands for.
Speaker 2:Everyone's just so sick and tired of the Tories. Like, I don't know. I think Labour people are saying this is not a big win for Labour as big as it seems, because they've only gained 1.6% of the vote share. They have 411 seats. They have so much pressure on their backs, but over 60% of voters didn't vote for them, so now they're going to be under scrutiny because 60% of people are like we didn't vote for you and you're making these decisions when those decisions don't turn going to be under scrutiny because 60% of people are like we didn't vote for you and you're making these decisions when those decisions don't turn out to be good. People are going to get more and more frustrated, and they're not going to have much patience for Labour because they'll be. I'd even vote for you. You're making these horrible decisions and I'd even vote for you, so yeah, I think Most young people didn't vote.
Speaker 1:That was another stat that I came across. I think most young people didn't vote. That was another stat that I came across. A lot of the young people didn't vote and that's definitely because of the Gaza situation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think anyone pretending to be dominant. Oh, I don't know why that happened.
Speaker 1:I think it's glaringly obvious why it happened yeah, I think people it's also like that whole thing of two sides of the same coin type of thing. I think they really know like it's the same, like they play the same dirty game. But one can only hope for the best. I wonder as well, is that why did Labour did not take, you know, the ethical stance on the Palestine issue? Did they feel like losing the election which, the way it was looking, is like they would have probably gained more support? So I just don't understand why if something like if you took a positive stance on palestine, you would have not only gained more voters, right, but you would have, you know, like this, they won the election by landslide, which everyone predicted, because the Conservatives were so unpopular. So I just don't understand why they didn't take the correct stance.
Speaker 2:It's clear, because here Salma has his own interests. He has his own donors because, like you said, they would not have lost votes. Their demographic was widely in support of the ceasefire. Anyone who thinks that that is the case, I feel like it's disingenuous or very ill-informed. Political decisions are not as simple as this guy thinks oh, this is going to lose me votes without actually looking into it. They do look into these things, they do understand them. When they make a decision, there is a reason for the decision, something going on behind the scenes. I'm speaking as someone whose family has been heavily involved in politics at the highest levels throughout the world. It's not as simple as it seems.
Speaker 2:People bring forward the thing that Jeremy Corbyn got accused of anti-Semitism and that's why he didn't want to be. He was scared that the Labour Party would be accused of anti-Semitism. No, that is not the case. The Conservatives called for a ceasefire. Before they did, the majority of the voters of the Labour Party's voters were in support of a ceasefire. Calling for peace would not label you no one would label you as anti-Semitic. I think it's just such an ill-informed or disingenuous thing to be like oh, it's because of Jeremy Corbyn, because people thought he was anti-Semitic, so that's why he was being so supportive. I just don't think that's the case at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's very well said. So Conservative eventually ended up taking the ceasefire like they agreed to the ceasefire.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they called for a ceasefire. They put pressure on Benjamin Netanyahu. Then Labour Party did as well. Eventually not Keir Starmer himself, but the party put out a statement calling for a ceasefire. Rishi Sunak did. Keir Starmer never did. I think he might have now, but a lot later than Rishi Sunak and the Conservatives, who are meant to be on the other side of this. They're meant to be the very pro-Israel side.
Speaker 1:So it just goes to show you. That's what's really got me wondering Did the Conservatives think that? So it just goes to show you that's what's really like. What's got me wondering like how did? Did conservatives think that might like turn things around for them? Was it like a virtue of performative?
Speaker 2:activism for them. No, it just got to a point where they couldn't ignore it anymore. Every organisation, every human rights organisation in the world, was, uh, talking about the atrocities committed by israel and asking for a ceasefire. So it was just. It got to a point where even people on that side of the political spectrum were like, okay, yeah, maybe a ceasefire is a good idea, not because, oh, it's going to get us loads of votes, but because we've got, like, some sort of morality to uphold here. We can't look like evil people, whereas Keir Starmer is. He is so heavily backed by the Israeli lobby that he just couldn't go against them. He couldn't until it was like there was no other option, until the tory party did can he go against him now though?
Speaker 2:now he's in town. We'll have to see.
Speaker 1:We'll have to wait and see well, one can only hope that he played a political game, but I mean, it doesn't look good because it's still. You know, one would say that you sold your soul and when it was time to speak out and take action, you should have taken action. But yeah, but if never, man, better late than never, type of thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah if you have to play a political game to get to the position he's in now, you will not survive in that position for long because you're only there because of their support and their funding and their donations. You're not there because people actually want you to be there, so he's still heavily relying on people outside, uh, supporting him. So, yeah, this is why it's difficult. On on specific issues, it's very difficult to see him being a good leader. He could bring about very good policies, good for this country especially. He's done the Rwanda thing already. He's cancelled the Rwanda policy Very good. However, on other issues, he can't be trusted to do actually what's best for humanity and what's also best for this country when he's doing what's in the best interest of other people.
Speaker 2:And, by the way, it's not some sort of Jewish conspiracy. This isn't about Jewish people or Judaism. Jewish people are great. They're amazing. They're speaking out against this. This is about Zionism. It's about anti-Zionism, because no one. It cannot be justified. Zionism cannot be justified under any guise, the way it has turned out. You cannot support removing someone else of their rightful land and claiming that land is yours and then persecuting them for the next 70 years. That is Zionism and that cannot be justified at all.
Speaker 1:That's very well said. Anything else on the matter.
Speaker 2:No second round of French elections going on right now. Marine Le Pen, the very far right candidate, won the first round. Her party did so. We'll see what happens there as well, and maybe we'll speak about that soon. Yeah, the far right are taking over, bro. It might be time to pledge allegiance. Join the far right.
Speaker 1:Trump is, I think, going to win as well. I don't know what's going to happen with Biden stepping down or not, apparently he tweeted.
Speaker 2:He said I'm not stepping down. Of course he isn't.
Speaker 1:He said I'm here to stay, even if he steps down. He might forget.
Speaker 2:He might forget he might still be running.
Speaker 1:I forgot.
Speaker 2:Piers Morgan, I think made a joke. He said someone should just tell Biden that he stepped down and he probably won't remember if he did or not. He'll go with it.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's funny man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but yeah. Joe Biden basically just said if you want me to leave, you're going to have to make it. He said I ain't stepping down from nobody, from nothing.
Speaker 1:Oh, man, if there was a better candidate.
Speaker 1:See, like you know, in companies like I was listening to successful entrepreneur and they were talking about, like you know, you might be when your company is in a startup stage, right, you might be the best CEO because you got a vision. But when you want to scale up a business, you know, when you want to distribute the thing, the product you have, or whatever service you're providing, then you got to like, look, and if there's someone else who can be a better CEO than you, then for the sake of the company and for the sake of your employees, you should let that person be the CEO. Right? But because people are so status driven, right, they love titles, man, they love titles and it's, it's. It's a big ask, of course, like in some ways, but if these people are rich enough so for them to like care that much about a title to be the president over, like, the well-being of the country, when clearly they know I mean, they may not know, but like, deep down, they do that if there's a better candidate if he's got early onset dementia.
Speaker 2:He's got no clue.
Speaker 1:What's going on, bro, which it seems like maybe he doesn't, but maybe a guy like trump does that. There's, you know what. This other guy's a visionary, he's a better candidate and you know it would be like a meritocracy, I don't know how to say that word, yeah, if the other guy is in power, and to not really care about the touch and let the other person be in charge. We don't have leadership like that, and I think that's the type of leadership we need, because these guys are not putting their best candidates forward.
Speaker 1:They get these tokenized people that they can control, like KS Tamar, someone who listens, who will make a good puppet. That's what we got in politics, and the system is designed in a way that If you're that independent guy, that independent thinking With unshakable principles, then no one's going to support you. So where are we really going? Where are we really going? With unshakable principles, then no one's going to support you. So where are we really going? Where are we really going? There's a quote that power corrupts the best and attracts the worst. How do we break the cycle?
Speaker 2:I don't know, but that's one thing in support of Trump. He does seem to be slightly anti-establishment, but almost in a bad way. He's basically trying to gear it towards himself and make America Trump-focused. He's putting measures in place which are allowing him to have an incredible amount of control and retain control for a longer period than he should. Even looking at this thing now, where he's got presidential immunity to do presidential acts, so theoretically he could assassinate someone and just say, oh, it's a presidential act. Could, if he's when he's president, send out a hit on joe biden, so I'm immune, it was a presidential act it's?
Speaker 1:is this a recent act, this presidential act?
Speaker 2:he got immunity for. So basically there there was a uh his you know court cases going on. A judge said that any act that he committed while he was president, if it was committed as an official presidential act, he will have immunity for it.
Speaker 1:That's so bad. I can't lie. If you can't actually hold your president accountable when he does crimes, I don't know what this country is thinking man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:He's putting leadership.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's, he's putting um republicans lots of them, like in the supreme court he's. He's gearing it very much towards pro-trump. He did in his last tenure and he probably will do in this tenure as well. So, although he is like anti-establishment and going against, like all of those kind of things, that's what people say about him. It's kind of scary as well. It's very, it's not very democratic.
Speaker 1:He's anti establishment towards the faction of the establishment that doesn't stand with him. So he's anti establishment.
Speaker 2:He's just pro-Trump. He's just pro-Trump, he's just pro-Trump.
Speaker 1:He would love CIA to be on his side.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you could make a case that, oh, maybe he's pro-Trump because he thinks Trump is the best person for the country. That is truly why he's pro-Trump. The likelihood is which it is in most of these cases with most politicians he's pro-Trump because he thinks it's best for Trump, not because it's best for the country. He wants to be president. He wants that power. Like the most overwhelming, majority of human beings on earth want power. They want status. You see people become the richest people in the world. They, on earth, want power. They want status. You see people become the richer people in the world. They're still not satisfied. They still want more, because we always have a craving for power, and that's where a lot of these politicians, their desire to keep holding on to this power, comes from. I think it's innate.
Speaker 1:I think it's natural. So, since we're an education podcast, let's bring it back. I think if there could be if into the political education that's given right in the curriculum, if there could be element of moral education or spiritual education, I think it could really take us forward. I think that would be very beneficial. Yeah, Deal with power, how to not become corrupted by power, Because all they're teaching is who has those answers though?
Speaker 1:I think many, many people do. There are a lot of people that are not in. Some are in politics and some aren't. Most of them aren't. That are not the status driven, the practice detachment, that think selflessly yeah but it's very, it's very.
Speaker 2:it's one thing having that, it's another thing teaching that to people who aren't like that.
Speaker 1:But if you teach it from young age, teach good values from young age and integrate it into the politics, uh, curriculums, I don't know. It could be like you know how doctors have to like learn about utilitarianism hippocratic, they still don't care bro most but imagine they didn't have that though let me not say most.
Speaker 2:A lot of doctors they just prescribe, they want. They see a patient, especially over here, because they're so overburdened, unfortunately, they have a very difficult job. They see a patient first thing that comes to their mind prescribed, done, because they have so little time to deal with things. It's very difficult to teach someone empathy without them truly just feeling it themselves, I think, without being in that position themselves. This is why, you see, as humans, we're always more empathetic towards things that resonate with us. For example, if someone's family member is a cancer survivor, they'll be more empathetic towards other people with cancer. They'll donate more towards cancer, for example. Another example Marcus Rashford. He relied on those free school meals. So then, when they were about to get scrapped, he did a massive campaign for free school meals. He had been through that situation, so he had a greater level of empathy towards it situation, so he had a greater level of empathy towards it. But as humans, I think it's incredibly difficult to teach empathy.
Speaker 1:It's so difficult? I've not. I don't think we teach it, though I think if you worked hard and we put a lot of money towards it, which could be right if we do it from a very young age.
Speaker 1:It could be impossible because it has to be taught man, like right now, like you know, this is one inspiration for why we decided this podcast is to touch on the importance of eq, emotional caution, spiritual education, um, just ethical, educate things of that nature, right principle values, empathy, mental health, the things that really matter man, because if we're just creating, churning out employees and power, hungry driven individuals, this, this, this empire will fall, this civilization will fall yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:The difficult part is, though, until you've got to that level of power that these guys have and that level of wealth, you don't know what you're going to do.
Speaker 2:We can say me, and you can sit here and say I wouldn't do what he's going to do, I'd retain my values, I'd retain my morals, but we'd only find out once we're in that position, because everyone says this. Then they get in that position and the story completely changes. There's only like 1%, probably 0.1%, of people who get that power and still retain their values, because a lot of people do start out with very good intentions in things like politics, so many people start out I'm going to change the world, I'm going to change the country. Then they start taking a little hit on their values and morals in some places like, oh, this is okay, I'll do this for the greater good, I'll do this to reach my goal, and then I can make a change, and, by the end, they've taken so many hits, they've been mined into so much that they've been like carved into a completely different person. They don't even resemble that person. They started off as, like they say, power corrupts for a reason, these kind of like little wise sayings.
Speaker 1:They're so true, I mean, there's the system right. You're systematically either radicalized or pacified in a negative way. You're programmed right into way, behaving certain way. Yeah, you know like you have to be ultra, like obedient or otherwise you know no one's going to support your campaigns and you have to say yeah exactly like like we.
Speaker 2:We spoke to bilal. That podcast will come out soon and the how he's. He told us about his involvement with the labor party and how he told us about his involvement with the Labour Party and what he was doing in order to fit in and further his career and get to his goals, because he was so like no, I'm doing this for the bigger purpose. I'm doing this for the right thing. He was taking hits on his values. He was doing things that he now looks back on and thinks like, why was I doing that? Things that he said he was ashamed of. But it happens to everyone. It's not just unique to him.
Speaker 1:And he's got a great heart man, he's got so much empathy. But you know, one can only hope that, just you know what. It is right If, if the country gets lucky because there's a lot of luck involved with this stuff as well that there's good education given. You know from the get-go there's a spiritual education and someone, someone good, skinned into power.
Speaker 1:I think you need a cultural change and also policy change right, which is like, which doesn't reward this, all like machiavellian. You know the oxford union, dirty politics tactics and you know blackmailing and I don't know propaganda. It's misinformation. If we create a culture in a system where merit people are rewarded based on merit, rewarded based on good values, if people are rewarded for that and they're making money for it right now, if you're the nice guy, you're losing money. And if you're losing money, you can't put food on the table. And if you can't put food on the table, you'll be like fuck the values.
Speaker 1:I want to live, I want to have some kind of impact, I want to make some kind of money. I don't want to lose my position of power. What am I going to be without it? You know people want to avoid the identity crisis that may come with it. If you like, rebel against your party and things like that, because for so long, for years, you worked with the local mp and you did five years, six years in a party, just being, I don't know, shunned and then eventually you get into a powerful position and they can get rid of you. Just like that. Just like that and you were like wow.
Speaker 1:A decade of work can just go into nothingness. You can count for nothing. That's a scary thought and that will corrupt a lot of individuals. You know that will corrupt a lot of individuals. And again, to an extent I have empathy with some of these crooked politicians because I'm like the system is against you.
Speaker 1:The system is against you slowly and slowly Because, like you said, most of them start out with good intention. So, yeah, man, it's just how does one go about protecting that intention and, you know, changing the culture in the system, the political system? Um, that needs to be thought more deeply about, and you know we should have very.
Speaker 2:It's very, very, very difficult. We can make people aware of it, aware of the importance of things like empathy and upholding your value, because, like you said, we're told that the nice guy loses, which an argument could be made that he does monetarily and whatever, but trust me, in the end, the nice guys always win. Do not do not falter on your values and your morals winked. Do not do not falter on your values and your morals under any scenario, because in the end, it does pay off. You just have to be patient and you have to work hard and it will happen. Um, but yeah, it's a screw. It's.
Speaker 2:It's extremely difficult to teach people things like this, but you can make them aware of it and that's all we can do, unless you have an answer in the comments. If you know how we can teach people this, tell us in the comments. Or if you've got anything on your mind, tell us in the comments, because this is a very interesting time, not just in the uk, but in the world. A lot of things are changing right now. A lot is going on. You might disagree with, uh, what we've said, which a lot of people do. There seem to be a lot of reform voters on youtube and the internet. Which fantastic. Keep it coming, guys.
Speaker 1:We love hearing your thoughts um so, yeah, please watch the full podcast yeah, I think some of you do have problems. We appreciate the comments because it helps the views, but watch the full podcast at least. So at least you're not like, you're not saying uh, you're not putting words in our mouth uh, you can do whatever you want, bro, just comment, I think you do whatever they want, but like at least don't watch the full podcast. Leave a comment criticize us but criticize us based on, like, what you say.
Speaker 2:Like, don't just judge us for the thumbnail, because I feel like I don't even care, bro, go for it, do what you want no, no, no.
Speaker 1:I want the comment, I want the views, but I'm saying they might learn a thing or two man, why yeah?
Speaker 2:they haven't got this far. I might as well they're not listening right now, bro, you're talking.
Speaker 1:I don't know, maybe one person has gotten this far, but, bro, I might as well be. Uh, you know, I might as well just have a little chat with them. Now you get me if one of them has made it this far that one video we posted.
Speaker 2:It was so interesting to see because definitely none of the people who commented watched the whole video and you, you saw the people. One guy came in the comments and even he was confused, like I bet if you actually watched the full video they just saw the people. One guy came in the comments and even he was confused, like I bet if you actually watched the full video they just saw the title of the thumbnail and they went on.
Speaker 1:Smoke yeah yeah, yeah, they were responding to the. Yeah, they were responding to the thumbnail. Please, just you know? Nah, bro, we need the duration time, but we appreciate the comment though, bro, we do because it helps. You know now, bro, we need the duration time, but we appreciate the comment though, bro, we do because it helps you know, everyone's got tiktok brain.
Speaker 2:Now, bro, even the 50, 60 year olds have tiktok brain. What can you expect?
Speaker 1:yeah, I think we're in the wrong field, bro. We might have to do you might have to do one minute podcast from now on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, podcast, let's do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man. But anyways, guys, thank you so much for listening and joining us. You know what? If you're that guy who's listening right, comment below. If you've made it this far, comment below and you might get £50 of giveaway. I've said this in a couple of podcasts. Actually, this one is £10. Because the last one I said £50. £10. You get a wallah, you get £10.
Speaker 2:No one wants £10 in this economy bro.
Speaker 1:What can you do with £10?, £20, £20, you get £20.
Speaker 2:Sorry, what can you do with £10 nowadays? Buy a KitKat, yeah, by the time you drive to the shop and drive back you can buy two coffees. That's crazy yeah, but if you go Italy you can probably get like £7, £8 okay, I'll just spend £200 to fly to Italy to buy cheaper coffees. Nice one, yes, yes, with your £10. I'll just spend £200 to fly to Italy to buy cheaper coffees.
Speaker 1:Nice one Great advice yes, with your £10. I'll make it £20. But all the best guys, thank you for listening. Thanks for listening, all the best.
