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Trump Gets Shot: America is Collapsing
In today's episode, we take a deep dive into the assassination attempt on Trump. What does this mean for America's future? The election? The rest of the world? We explore these important questions in this podcast episode. We hope you learn something from the podcast as we did.
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Welcome back to the Last Neon Nostals podcast. We've just woke up to the news that there is an assassination attempt on the former president of the United States, donald Trump. Now there's a lot of speculation going around because it's so fresh, but we're just going to discuss everything we know so far, what we know about the killer and what we think of the whole incident. So, kushal, what did you think when you first heard of this this morning?
Speaker 2:So actually I found out last night, 2 am. I slept late and I was like this is insanity. Like you know how there are these cultural wars and this polarization that has been taken in American politics, you would think things like this would not happen. So the game that the democrats and the republicans have been playing it's, you know, it's gone so serious. Um, and yeah, it's quite. You know, it's quite unfortunate for america that their leaders are not safe yeah, it is.
Speaker 1:It is a really weird situation. First of all, uh, we hope donald trump is okay. Our politics doesn't align with his politics, but I mean wish him well, wish his family well. And there was someone who passed away in the crowd as well. I hope their family is okay, given the circumstances, probably not okay, but and someone got injured as well. Hope their family is okay, given the circumstances, probably not okay, but and someone got injured as well. So our prayers are sent to their families. And yeah, it's really. It is really weird because with so much security, with the secret service around, how is someone able to get to the top of a building like that with a rifle, wait there, take five shots at the president, at the former president, and then they respond like it is. It's such a failure of security that you just wouldn't think it would happen in somewhere like america yeah, and what's more crazy is that, uh, one of the person.
Speaker 2:Um, they warned the secret service that there's a guy crawling on top of the crate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I saw that, which is I saw that person's interview, but that that was a little bit weird as well, because the guy said there was him and a couple other guys. They're like, oh, we were pointing to the shooter. But if there's a shooter, don't just point, make a ruckus. If you see a guy crawling and they saw, they saw him, they said they saw him with a rifle you need to make a ruckus, you need to cause a scene. This guy, who you think is like the greatest leader who's going to save our nation, could potentially get assassinated and all you're doing is, hey guys, there's a shooter over there. What kind of I don't? That's just weird to me. It almost seems like he's kind of making that up, because I feel like anyone in that situation would really shout and cause a scene. But in the video all he said is oh yeah, we told someone and we were pointing Like what?
Speaker 2:What I thought that what took um was they told a secret service and then they took it lightly. They didn't really give it yeah, well, that that's.
Speaker 1:That's. That's what he made it seem like. He said he told a police officer, I think, and then he said they were like pointing towards them as well, uh, and they were in the view of the secret service agent. So they're. Oh yeah, we were pointing uh to the secret service to say, oh, there's a shooter over there, but I don't know, that's just weird to me I doubt if they said shooter, though, because I think what they may have also thought is like oh, these are trump fans.
Speaker 2:They're crazy, they love him. You know they're trying to show support by climbing crates, and you know maybe maybe because that's kind of crazy man, like the fact that if someone pointed it out and they're not taking serious action right away, yeah, but if he did point it out, I don't.
Speaker 1:The guy's account just doesn't seem that reliable just to say, oh yeah, I was pointing at them and then the Secret Service did nothing. It's so weird. The Secret Service agents also threw themselves on Trump to like, basically, yeah, to save him. So it's not like they were just like, oh yeah, let's let this guy die, or whatever. There's a. What people are saying is either there's a big failure on the part of the secret service, uh, a lack of competence, or, um, there's some sort of conspiracy going on here which we'll get into. But as you know, as you probably know, security details take every precautionary measure they can. They're so safe. They like go above and beyond the measures of safety. So it's really weird, in a situation so obvious the former president of the united states that this could uh happen. Um, and it wasn't even like he was hidden away in some place. He was on top of a building yeah, and elon.
Speaker 2:Elon said that the head of the secret service should resign which is a very I'm not sure about that nice, like whoever's was in charge yeah for not, not maybe that I don't know what the hierarchy looks like. Um, I don't. Yeah, what do you make of that?
Speaker 1:I mean, if he's talking about the like head of the secret service, I don't know what he's got to do with this, because this is one uh attachment with donald trump. Maybe the head of that attachment to donald trump, of this secret service, he should resign, but not the actual head, um, because it is. It's either, like I said, it's either, uh, a very huge lack of competence or it's a conspiracy, and either way, like you've got to go, you can't be trusted in that position, but one one thing is surely is it's terrorism, and I don't see the media using that term another thing you touched on earlier which I think is really important, is this increasing polarization, uh, in politics and in the world in general.
Speaker 1:Like you can see the results of that now. It is very dangerous the things that people like nigel farage do and other people like in american politics not just donald trump, but both sides of the political spectrum it can lead to devastating consequences. So I feel like people just have to be a little bit more responsible. These politicians have to be more responsible, and I think people need to do more in these countries to protect politicians as well, because we've seen in the UK, joe Cox, an MP, was murdered quite recently and another MP was murdered recently as well recently, and another MP was murdered recently as well. So it really brings up the question like, why aren't MPs provided with more protection? Even though the day I saw a video, someone was like Kirsten was in the gym and someone was just pressing him, like just talking to him, which is crazy. You don't really see that. In like places like pakistan, people are very protected and maybe it seems like that should be the case here as well.
Speaker 2:If people are getting shot and stabbed left, right and center, yeah, people are angry and partly that these politicians are also responsible for it, because of the misinformation, the polarization, the radicalization you know, demonizing the, you know the other parties, then you get basically terrorism right, and terrorism is respective of people's color. And I hope these politicians learn something from this that if they're not careful with their rhetorics and their popular stances and dislike black and white politics, fake news, everything on the other side fake news, and I'm right, I'm the one to save you. And then the people on the other side, they were like you know, he's gonna, he's gonna take everything away from us, so let's just get rid of him. That's what happens, man.
Speaker 2:That's what happens when you cause polarization and you know the fact that the world is looking at this, that the future president, which is it looks very likely now, definitely likely um, donald, you know, donald trump, uh, is someone can easily like just attack him, like that. It's not even another nation, just some. You know what was it? Matthew crooks, was that what his name? Thips, yeah, like you know, who probably just got a gun from a shop that you can easily buy in America, can do that. Then you know what does it say for Americans' leadership and how much they care about their leaders.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. It is a very concerning moment for them, I would say, and for the world in general, because you've seen kind of this, this decay going on for a while now and these increasing tensions going on for a while now. I wonder how, how the campaigning for the elections will change now. Obviously, everyone thought donald trump is going to win the election anyway. I feel like now he's definitely going to win the election, and this is what has led to like quite a few conspiracies as well, uh, which we'll get on to. But, um, the shooter was apparently reported by cnn. He was affiliated with the republican party, so he was affiliated with donald trump's party, but of course, there's Republicans who don't agree with Donald Trump. However, recently he made a small donation, I think $15, to an organization that's affiliated with the Democratic Party. So there's a bit of confusion there as well as to like which side of the political spectrum was this guy on?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, they got. Uh. So let's say, if the Democrats are genuinely responsible for this, they will do everything in their power to pin it on someone else except them.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:If it is the Republicans as well this guy has been an ex republican, you know fan then they will do anything in their power to pin it on the democrats because it will guarantee them a win. Like um, you know, the convicted felon, that narrative didn't go to plan. So, like that, uh pbd guy patrick, uh bet, uh bet, david. He said, like he kind of predicted it accurately, that if I was trump I would double down on my security. That you know, um, because initially, you know, they tried to censor him. Uh, throughout the years when biden has been um the president, then the convicted felon thing came out and that didn't work because Trump's support went higher. Then what's the next step is just get rid of the guy. So that is a conspiracy theory. This is we're not saying that, this is true. But yeah, like I won't be shocked, though I won't be, shocked if that's the case.
Speaker 1:The other side of the argument is, which many people are saying again, this is not my view. People are saying this could be a staged assassination attempt by donald trump to increase his popularity, because there's no better way to increase your popularity than surviving, and that's an assassination attempt, it seems. Seems like in politics we saw as well. Recently in Pakistan, there was an assassination attempt on the former Prime Minister, imran Khan, there as well, which is interesting because the parallels between these two keep growing stronger and stronger between Imran Khan and Donald Trump. They're both populist leaders, both now facing imprisonment. Imran Khan is imprisoned, donald Trump facing imprisonment, and now assassination attempts on them both as well. So that's just a little interesting parallel to note, I think.
Speaker 2:But what do you think of that conspiracy theory like this could possibly be staged by trump himself to gain popularity well as someone who almost lost a sister to assassination attempt, gone qe hospital that you know, we've spoken to the doctor, every you know it's public information that that happened and that had like conspiracy theories around it that oh, it was staged, it's just drama, it's not real. You know, I, for me, I like I'm I don't know what to say on it, because that was so hurtful that my sister almost died and people said that she didn't like that's, that's absurd. Right, imagine you lose your home, you lose everything. And, yeah, I, I would not jump to that conclusion unless there was concrete evidence against conspiracy theories, um, for now, so I would just take it for what it is.
Speaker 2:If people are saying, oh, it's the, it's the democrats. If it's not, if there's no evidence, it's not been confirmed, then it's a conspiracy theory. Now, how valid is this conspiracy theory? We don't know yet, right, could it be true? Yes, both of them could be true, right, things could be staged. But for me to just jump to that conclusion, I think that would be extremely disrespectful, both to imran I. You know I've never been the support of Imran Khan or Donald Trump, but I can't just disrespect, like them in that way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's very well put. I was referring to this, just the Donald Trump one there, but yeah people have the conspiracy right like because people have conspiracies about that assassination attempt as well.
Speaker 1:So that's very well put. I think it's going to be really interesting to see where American politics goes from here, because the BBC presenter who was there at the rally he said when someone walked past him shouted, they fired the first shot. Now it's our turn. So, again, like the tensions are going to increase, this guy, just the normal guy, basically saying like it's war, like they shot at our president, we're going to go for them now, um, which I wouldn't be surprised if tensions increase, increase due to this, which it's unfortunate but seems like the reality. It would be an amazing moment now for Donald Trump to call for peace and to call for calm, despite what has happened to him, which I mean it is a difficult thing to do, but it is something a really good leader, a great leader, would do. So, yeah, it will be interesting. Obviously, he's now recovering. He's with his family. Give him time and all of that, but that would be a great thing for him to do, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, that would be good leadership, that would be admirable. Despite his policies, policies, despite how he's been in the past, I hope he goes down that route because it's not if he gaslights it for, like, if he's like you know what, like it's all war, you know let's take revenge then you know you're putting your, you're putting everyone's life on the line, everyone's life, you know. And, yeah, the better and the bigger thing people give him more support and appreciation if he brings unity to the country. That country, america, needs unity more than anything at this point. Right, they're financially doing great, in all aspects they're doing great compared to, you know, relatively to most of the world. Uh, they just, you know there's this, um, this reality tv show for politics that they got going on and I think it is starting to really sink into them that what, what kind of demon, what kind of monster they're creating right now that you know, even if the attack was on biden, it's as worse, it's as horrible, right yeah, it's as bad as bad.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that's that's why I say on this, what, what's, what's your take on it bro?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's. That's why I say on this, what's, what's your take on it, bro? Yeah, I agree, and I just hope these uh political commentators don't fan the flame of division and violence as well. People like you mentioned, uh, patrick, but david, and other right-wing uh commentators and influencers now is really a time for them to take responsibility as well and urge for there to be calm and for there to be peace and for there to be an inquiry into what happened. If they don't trust their legal system and they can't trust an accurate, fair what's it called? Investigation into what happened, uh, the failure by the secret service or a possible collusion in some shape or form, then that is also very troubling for america. If they feel like the only way for them to get justice or a fair uh outcome is violence, then yeah, it is scary where that country is going to go, because you have to remember, what happens in that country really impacts the rest of the world as well because of how powerful it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if there's terrorism there, there's going to be terrorism everywhere, and terrorism is increasing in America. Yeah, despite that, there is no color involved. Man, people need to stop putting that. Let's call it what it is. This is terrorism and this could really lead to terrorism that could not only tarnish America. Right, innocent people, two innocent, like Two innocent people got injured. One innocent person died, right, and it could lead to the death of many more innocent people Across the world.
Speaker 2:So you know, take it as seriously as you take foreign affairs. You know to care about the terrorism in your country. Right, what is committed by white people, jewish people, muslim people, whoever is right, what? Whatever race, gender, whatever it is right. Call it what it is. It's terrorism. And your polarization, your populace, the system you guys have created, the crony capitalism, is responsible for it. Point thumbs, not fingers. Don't look at immigrants. This is your doing. Take accountability that's what good leadership is and bring unity. If this isn't a wake-up call, don't know what is man wally like. If you don't learn from this man, where does it go from? Here we're looking at like the start of the collapse of an empire.
Speaker 1:That's what it looks like to me, man yeah, yeah, it is seeming more and more like that every day. Um, like you, you've got offshoots. Now people don't want to align with the us and the us dollar. Like you've got the brics nations, uh, that are coming in opposition to america. You've got a lot of problems in america itself, so it is, it is looking a bit sticky for them. But one positive thing was joe biden came out uh, spoke in support of donald trump. I think so did obama and other, uh democratic leaders, which is a good thing, uh. But it's expected, like that's the bare minimum.
Speaker 2:Obviously they're gonna do that, um, but yeah, hopefully, uh, there's more of peace and unity so one of the people who's said that they're going to endorse trump is elon musk, um which did he say that?
Speaker 1:did he say that after this assassination attempt?
Speaker 2:yes, yes. What do you make of that um?
Speaker 1:it doesn't really come as a surprise, to be honest. Like, uh, I think we have seen him uh promoting more right wing rhetoric recently. Uh, you saw him aligning himself very recently with like right wing figures, uh, all the time in the past few months, and also with israel as well, very heavily aligning himself with that. So it makes sense. I'm just uh interested in what his motives for that are, and I think you've you've done a little bit of digging into this.
Speaker 2:I think you watched the video or something yeah, so the digging has been done by johnny harris. Johnny harris made a very good video where you know, he spoke about the success of Elon Musk, the companies he's created and made and their purpose is like for humanity to progress, and that's very believable. He's been very consistent with that and I'm a big fan of him for his work. Right, tesla boring company, I mean SpaceX. That guy is Neuralink. How he's going to change the world with that Incredible ventures that he's been a part of. But the one where it's been a complete disaster for me is Twitter.
Speaker 2:So the three reasons why Elon Musk wanted to buy Twitter was freedom of speech. He thought that liberals were because you know San Francisco is quite liberal that in their offices, twitter offices were there before he bought it. He said like, oh, the liberals were dominating the narrative, they were censoring, and the last one was government's involvement. So the first two things freedom of speech to an extent yes, he was right. So the first two things freedom of speech to an extent. Yes, he was right that there was censorship on Twitter before, like for hate speech, things of that nature and probably some unjust censorship. But he's also been censoring things that have been said against him and there has been more censorship since he's taken over than when he was what do you call it? Than when he was what you call it?
Speaker 2:Uh, then, when he was involved, like, for example, really, yeah, so it was about 50 50, especially from the government side, right, so the government, uh, whenever they told uh twitter, um the old twitter, um, 50 percent of the times, twitter would like ban what the government wanted them to ban. Now it's 80 percent and now the demands from the government has also increased. So there were journalists that were speaking against the president of turkey and modi as well in india. He's basically, you know, listened to them, um, which is very unfortunate because, you know, his whole thing was freedom of speech, freedom of speech and yeah, and then he's just been censoring people. He was also promoted his, so apparently there was a tweet where, you know he, he said let's go eagle I think it's a football club or something but joe biner's got more like, likes and retweets, so he literally told his team to promote his tweet, so he outdoes him, which is literally just so petty and against like, like, against the whole narrative of freedom of speech.
Speaker 1:Um, it's child that is just childish yeah yeah, brings kanye on.
Speaker 2:Kanye says anti-semitic stuff gets rid of him. So, like, where do you draw the line right? It's like I'm not, by the way, anti-semitism is wrong. Okay, like, if I'm on my platform and I want it to be a space for good in humanity, I'm gonna ban anti-seemitic stuff, right? As much as freedom of speech is important, that's my personal opinion. I don't know what's the best way of going about it, but again he has the guy on Okay, good, freedom of speech, whatever he says, think yourself, gets rid of him.
Speaker 1:People like Alex Jones, other like troubling figures that he had on um and and he's brought that like uh really white supremacist guy on back as well, hasn't he nick frinters or something?
Speaker 2:or he's going to bring him back on something like that, which is uh very concerning, and he does a poll and if the poll succeeds, then he just listens to people like, oh, should I have alex jung on and 70 said yes, and then he has him on.
Speaker 2:But then when he did a poll like, oh, should I step down as a ceo of twitter or x right, and people said yes, the majority said he should step down, like that's so funny, you know so jimmy harris was saying that he kind of gets a kick out of it, right, like he likes chaos, like even, uh, one of the people who's worked with him or it might have been someone associated with him that he loves chaos, like that's where he finds his comfort, he likes the attention. And it's quite telling, man, and the sad thing about all of this is Is that number one is hypocrisy and double standard. We saw that you know more about the Palestine situation, where you know that you can elaborate on, but it's like you got so many great companies going, you got so many great projects going on. This is just, this is so distracting and it's causing more harm than good yeah, um, it is.
Speaker 1:It's really weird, like if you want to make it this space of freedom of speech and all of this, like, fair enough, go for it, but then leave it as that. Like he's, you're still being selective. He's banning people for saying like from the river to the sea and free palestine and things like that. Those statements were banned, let alone like the like full-on creators. But then he's letting people like alex jones onto the platform. Who, um said the, the people who the families of the kids who were killed in the sandy hook school shooting were paid actors he's allowed to come back on, but people aren't allowed to say free palestine.
Speaker 1:It's just really weird. It does seem less so like he's doing this whole freedom of speech thing because of some deep belief in like total, complete freedom of speech, versus he's just doing it because because it provides him with some sort of personal gain, which I'm not quite sure in what way. That is, whether he wants to maybe get into politics, whether it helps his companies grow, whether there's someone telling him to do these things behind the scenes. Because Elon Musk for his companies as well. He's been bailed out by the government a lot of times. He's received a lot of support from government, so it's not just like he's completely independent and free from what the government expects of him.
Speaker 2:And it's gone worse. It's the stats show that it's really gone worse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. One thing I would say is, though, that you said earlier that censorship has increased, but that figure by itself, that the government-backed censorship has increased does not mean that the total censorship has increased, so it would be interesting to see a stat for that as well, if you have that.
Speaker 2:So the total has also increased.
Speaker 1:So there's been more demands right and more acceptance as well. Like hateful things towards, like lgbt communities. You couldn't really say uh racist things, which now you can. A lot of people can say those types of things. So that's what I mean by has the total censorship? Has like the censorship of those kind of things increased as well? We see it with the israel palestine thing. There's definitely been uh censorship implemented there on the Palestinian side. But I wonder overall, has it gone up or gone?
Speaker 2:down? Oh, that's a very good question. Oh, I know what you mean. Now you see if, when I use Twitter OK, this is not like we need to find stats and figures for it but I'll tell you about my personal experience. I feel like the racism and the hate speech is not as censored as it was before. I've seen andrew tape like promote his uh meme coin, daddy coin, whatever with the video of him beating his woman, right like you know, a woman he beat like years ago and then he like then he like you know walks to the corridors and that same woman takes her to the room and it's like she starts making, like you know, that sound like of him slapping her and it's quite disgusting that his platform would allow for marketing of this nature. I mean, 70% of it is like explicit content. Like explicit content. Definitely, everyone complains about this that this might as well be an X-rated. What do you call it? It might as be an X-rated website. You know what I mean by that.
Speaker 2:Right, like explicit content yeah, yeah, Like, very, like, very, very 18 plus, and it's like it just comes up on your algorithm just out of thin air Like how is this happening? How many kids are on these platforms that are seeing these things?
Speaker 1:yeah. So social media kid. One thing people really need to take away from this is keep your kids away from your social media, especially in this day and age. It's, it's really predatory, it's it's not okay. Uh, with the explicit content I don't really get that. I've never really got that stuff on my feed, which, uh, I'm not sure why. That is because I know everyone says that they, they do, um, but interestingly I've mine is just filled with like stats and politics stuff you're lucky one.
Speaker 2:If you go on to comments of like, let's say, if there was like some kind of drama thing, right, let's say it was a misfit or something, and then you go on comments, you're bound to see something some influencer, some only fans model promoting our stuff and it's very like disturbing this is people need to keep their kids away from their phone.
Speaker 1:That from these phones, I think there is. One of the biggest problems with society coming up is this sort of lazy parenting. Because people are so overworked and people prioritize their careers and jobs so much because they have to they're forced into because of capitalism. You need both parents in the household to be working to be able to provide for your kids, but what that leads to is, when you come home, you're exhausted. The kids want to play, the kids want they're being annoying. You just give them an iPad, you just give them a phone, let them do whatever they want, and then they're coming across these really, really disturbing things, things, um, and I don't know this. I think parents really need to really look at other solutions to manage um their career and raising their children, because this ipad generation is it's.
Speaker 2:It's crazy what, what's happening with the kids 100 and also, and also even for adults, man, there's a crisis of addiction to that stuff and it's only getting worse. Insolism and things of that nature is increasing. And yeah, these are some important issues that no one really cares about. And I would also urge, like, especially teenagers and people who are, like you know, 18 pluses, to be really careful with how they consume content. You know, like, not getting involved in the twitter drama, in the hate comments, in those, you know those little petty arguments they have. Like even, let's say, you won an argument, you change someone mind on there, right, like you generally change mind, so fair enough to be honest. But, like you're going through, you're having these culture wars and these Twitter wars. It's not good use of your time, it's not good for your mental health to be on Twitter all the time. Like you know, there's life outside this digital facade. It's not real life. So, yeah, man, just find balance with that stuff.
Speaker 1:I think that's a great place to end the podcast for today.
Speaker 2:Very good conversation, thank you for joining me, wally, and thank you so much to everyone who's watched it thus far. Thank you, no goodbyes for them. No not today.
