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What Really Caused The Riots in the UK
In this episode we discuss how the tragedy in Southport was exploited by divisive and hateful figures to further their political agendas, and fuel hate against Muslims and immigrants. We reflected on how misinformation took the country by storm and analysed how the mainstream media used terms like “anti immigration’ or “pro British” in their headlines rather than calling it extremism.
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welcome back to the last neanderthals podcast. I'm joined with my co-host, khushal, again, and today we're going to talk about, um, something that's quite upsetting, to be honest. That's going on in the uk right now. Uh, about a week and a half ago, three little girls were murdered by um some psychotic guy. Many others, many other children and a few adults were hospitalized as well, and obviously after an incident like that, the whole country mourns. It happened in south port, which is like 20 minutes uh, outside of liverpool, just on the outskirts of Liverpool. So obviously many people in Liverpool were mourning and they held a vigil to support the families, to pray for the kids. But tragically, again, this incident was hijacked and these little girls' deaths were exploited by a few individuals to just sow division and further their political agenda, and that's kind of what we're going to talk about today.
Speaker 2:So was there misinformation going on that this attack was done by Muslims? Is that how it all started and how did it pick up? Though? That's what I don't understand.
Speaker 1:So as soon as it happened, reports started coming out that it was a Muslim. That did it not like verified reports? Just people speculating, as they always do. Whenever an attack happens, people speculate and say it's a Muslim, as Muslims were kind of used to it at this point. Um, it happened with that guy in Australia who looked a little bit brown. They said he was a Muslim. In fact, he wasn't a Muslim. So the same thing happened here. Loads of people started speculating and then a few very famous people, well-known people, started fanning the flames. They started playing into these conspiracy theories. Because of this, the police released a statement saying he was actually originally from Cardiff, which annoyed them even more. They were like there's no way he's originally from Cardiff. We want his name to be released. All of that, which wasn't possible because he's under 18. And in the UK, unless a judge allows you to, you cannot release the names of a minor who's committed an offence. So yeah, it started from misinformation. A lot of very well-known people fuelled that misinformation and now are backtracking and pretending they didn't Like Andrew Tate, for example, nigel Farage as well, and of course, tommy Robinson played into it too at the beginning and he continues to sow division.
Speaker 1:Now, the really interesting thing? It's not interesting, it's just really sad, to be honest. So these three kids died. The family holds a vigil and you have people coming from different parts of the country with crates of beer, with alcohol, to show support for children. And where do they show support for these children? Not outside of the vigil, not where it's meant to be, but outside of a mosque, where they throw bricks. At the mosque, where they attack police, set fire to a police van, where they throw bricks. At the mosque, where they attack police, set fire to a policeman, where they're drinking alcohol like they're like on. It's like football hooligans after a football match. They completely exploited such a tragic situation and they were chanting who the f is? Uh, god, basically. But but the Arabic term for God, which is obviously extremely disrespectful, and, yeah, people like Tommy Robinson retweeted all of those things. They were like oh, the people are finally fed up. The people have finally had enough, seeming to forget that three little kids have died here. What has this got to do with the mosque other than your disinformation? Then what happened is the police came out and said he's born in cardiff from rwandan parents, he has no ties to islam, but the conspiracy theories didn't stop. Um rwanda is a 95 some reports say other reports in 97 percent christian country, but they at that point they still said he's muslim. They still said he came over on a boat, uh, a year ago and was an illegal migrant, which just wasn't true. He was born in Cardiff.
Speaker 1:But it's this dangerous rhetoric that we have seen for years now, spread by the right, not just in this country but in America as well, that makes the attacks on Muslim communities that we see now possible. People, people like Nigel Farage, like Tommy Robinson. Whenever Muslim people do something bad, they shine a spotlight on it. They highlight it every single time. So to their followers it seems like, oh, they're doing so much bad. All the stuff that's wrong with the UK, it's their fault. And if we can remember a recent time in history where that happened to a group of people, it didn't end very well. It happened in the early 1900s and everyone remembers that. Everyone said never again. But yet these people are allowed to spew this kind of rhetoric and pretend that Muslims are the cause for all of the problems in this country and other countries in the world.
Speaker 2:Muslims are the cause for all of the problems in this country and other countries in the world. It's very unfortunate that this disinformation picked up and the media is is also to blame for mainstream media. One of the things that really irritated me and let me down was anti-immigration rights. Don't call it anti-immigration rights. Call.
Speaker 1:Call it terrorism. They didn't even say riots, they said protests to start with, yeah, protests.
Speaker 2:Well, how is that protesting? They're destroying cities, they're destroying mosques, they're destroying innocent people, businesses who had nothing to do with this incident. How is that mourning people? Number one and number two why is the word terrorism not used here? It should be used here exactly they're?
Speaker 1:they're? They're causing fear and terror in order to intimidate a population, in order to further their political goal, which is what they always talk about is anti-immigration, and they spin this narrative of oh, it's only illegal immigrants. But the guy who committed the murder that stemmed all of this, the murders? Not only was he not an immigrant, not only was he not an illegal immigrant, he wasn't even an immigrant. He was born in this country, he was. His parents immigrated here, and we don't know whether they immigrated here legally or illegally. They were Christian. He was a crier boy when he was younger.
Speaker 1:Yet these people choose to go and attack Islam regardless and over and over. The conspiracies were getting debunked, yet they shift the goalposts At first, oh, it's Muslims' fault. Oh, no, sorry, it's illegal immigrants. No, it's just immigrants. He was none of those. Yet they continue to write, they show their true colors and I think, I think that there is. There's something I wanted to say to your previous point. Oh, yeah, the riots. Bbc, so the main broadcaster in the uk. Not only did they not call it like terrorism or anything, they called it the pro-british protests in british protest yeah, how is?
Speaker 1:that britain and they called the people, the counter-protesters. They called them groups of men chanting Allahu Akbar. Look at this, framing the pro-British protesters versus the groups of men chanting Allahu Akbar. What is the average person watching that on the news going to think?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that has no critical thinking.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's Go gone, sorry, sorry they're exploiting these people.
Speaker 2:They, their problems, come from poverty. They don't have the quality education. And these politics politicians who are basically, you know, taking all the money, all the you know they have all the power to change things. They're like no, I ain't gonna pay any more taxes, I'm not gonna take accountability, we're not gonna improve the system, get the immigrants out. The immigrants has taken all your rights away. The immigrants have taken all your job opportunities away.
Speaker 2:And, yeah, and these, these powerful voices, voices like nigel farage and tommy tommy rob Robinson, they, they have manipulated this. These people, and we, finally, like we always see that you, initially, you see, like all these people are in echo chambers. They're not really, like, you know, these are minority. But when you see instances like this, how that led to riots and stuff like that, we can't. We, we have to be so vigilant of what people say online and keep them accountable, because this is the, this is the consequences of letting these people just giving them platform, regardless of how damaging their views are. Like, and I wanted to ask you, like you know, to an extent, like cancel culture can be useful, right, like that, if you give platform to people like Tommy Robinson and Andrew Tay, this is what happens.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, imprisoning someone, like the whole justice system, is basically cancel culture. It can be valid. If someone is doing something wrong, punishing them for that can be valid. Cancel culture in the internet sense is kind of I don't know. It's tricky. If you're inciting violence, if you're inciting hatred, there's a very strong case for you not being pushed and promoted by very credible individuals like Jordan Peterson promoting and pushing Tommy Robinson, as well as Elon Musk, the founder of Twitter, retweeting it. Fine, you can say what you want, unless you stoke up violence, unless you incite violence and hatred. And Tommy Robinson is now going on this tirade saying I never incited violence because he didn't directly say go kill people. That's not how it works, mate. We all understand implication. He said men need to rise up. Men will rise up, get them out of those hotels. He said the people are fed up. They finally risen up. They finally had enough. What happens not too long after People go and burn set fire to a hotel with asylum seekers and with refugees and not illegal immigrants? They don't even know the distinction between asylum seekers and illegal immigrants.
Speaker 1:This guy is now going on saying oh, I didn't incite violence. Men will rise up. Men have to rise up, get them out of those hotels, always saying it's the Muslims fault, they've done everything wrong in this country, send them back on the boats. What kind of rhetoric is that? That is literally Oswald Mosley-esque. It's so similar to the fascists of previous times and yet people still think oh no, he didn't incite violence. He says get them out of the hotels. Men need to rise up. He supports people at the south port riot saying they're fed up. The people are finally rising up. And then, uh, people set fire to a hotel. People are chanting oh, tommy robinson at all of these rights. And he says no it wasn't me.
Speaker 2:Well, what should be the concept? Because he's still got a platform, he's still got a voice right, still credit, he's still deemed credible by a lot of people. How does one go about, like you know, holding him accountable that you incited violence. This is your punishment that you incited violence.
Speaker 1:This is your punishment. Well, I think, uh, that's not really up to us to decide, that's up to the justice system to decide. There needs to be a thorough investigation to look into everything that he has said and everything he has done and how that has led to the point we've got to now. Maybe I'm wrong I don't think I am but we let the justice system decide and see who is right and who is wrong.
Speaker 1:One thing that we we cannot condone is people taking justice into their own hands. Defending yourself, defending your community, is something different. That's fine. Going out to attack people, that is not okay, whether that's Muslims who do it or anyone else. And I'm very glad that the Muslims who are doing that, who are just going out attacking people, causing harm as people in every different group do, they're getting put in prison now as well as they should. They're getting arrested as they should completely dispels their narrative of two-tier policing that they always try and bring up. Which of two-tier policing that they always try and bring up, which is just so silly. But I, I'm not, I'm I'm not the one to be deciding that.
Speaker 1:One thing I will add to that as well is people are leaking his address of where he is, uh, which hotels he's at with, like his family, which I also don't think. I think is very wrong. You should not be doing that. He's with his kids. They've got no part to play in this. I don't like him. I think he's a very bad person. However, his kids have done nothing wrong. Let the justice system handle it. It's just not the way to go because you're stooping down to their level at that point, 100%, and they want that.
Speaker 2:They want you to stoop down to their level and do violent things Right. So it will give their points credibility that oh, look, these Muslims are terrorists, look, they are like horrible people. So I'm also proud of the Muslim communities that have, you know, been pacifist in their protest. And you know that's what we need, because you know there's misinformation about Muslims since 9-11. And we've, literally, because some individuals' actions right, some guy who didn't even care about Muslims right, he was looking out for his own interests has been representing, they have made that guy the representative of us and these evil figures like one minority, one minor figure, and then they extrapolate that onto the rest of the population and it's really not fair For us to now hate just white people, right, that would be also extremely unfair. We need to look yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:I think one thing it shows is that the majority of people in this country are great people. The levels of people that came out in support of the muslim community and the ethnic community of the UK was overwhelming. It was the overwhelming majority compared to the far right rioters. I think there will have also been some people who may have been anti-immigration, who may have been misled by Tommy Robinson, who I hope, when they see these lies unfolding, can realize okay, I was misled, I was exploited and they do end up changing their mind. But a lot of these people were just violent. Not all of them, of course. A lot of them were out there. They set fire to a library, a community library. They set fire to a citizen's advice bureau where working class working class people go to seek help for their problems in everyday life. They were attacking random shopkeepers, shops, just because they thought they were owned by muslims like and this is who people in the media, on talk TV, on GB News, tommy Robinson, are aligning themselves with.
Speaker 2:They are the people. I don't get why BBC and these mainstream media platforms would align themselves with these fascist groups.
Speaker 1:BBC, not so much. They had that one report, but other than that they've been fine. But gb news oh my days. That's where they get all their supporters from. That's why they do it. Talk tv again that's where they get their supporters from. That's why they do it. These are the people who send them the money, the people who buy into these uh, conspiracy theories and things that are always purported by people like Tommy Robinson.
Speaker 1:So I think that's where it stems from this guy who, while these riots were happening, a stabbing happened in Stirling Scotland and Tommy Robinson again reported that a Muslim man has stabbed people in Stirling Scotland. Turned out again that it wasn't a Muslim, but stabbed people in Stirling Scotland. Turned out again that it wasn't a Muslim, but no one will bat an eye. They will ignore that. This guy's just during basically what pogroms going on against the Muslim community. He's spreading more lies about Muslims. His supporters are just going to ignore that and say he's the victim. He's the one that they're lying to you about. Everyone else is lying. He's right. He's this hero that the whole system is against and everyone needs to help him, which just isn't the case yeah, there should be consequence for these false accusations by the justice system, because this can't continue.
Speaker 2:We saw these rhetorics, how damaging they can be. What do you think, how do you think britain should go about helping these people, these disfranchised people who don't know like their enemy, which is, I feel like I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know who their enemies are, really seems like enemy, enemy, enemy is a strong word, but the people who are keeping them poor and stuff, I think help with the education, listen to them and their concerns, educate them, um, help them realize this. Not the refugee or the immigrant that is taking your jobs. There are other issues at hand austerity we've got, we came through covid. There's a housing crisis, an nhs crisis and somehow it's all the immigrants fault, like it's just a completely ridiculous statement. But they need to. They need to be helped to understand this, because not all of them are the ones who have the swastika tattoos and who have these really far-right ideologies. Some of them are, but some of them are just very, very ignorant, ignorant. One thing as well that, um, tommy robinson said I forgot. I forgot what it was, never mind remember to cut that out.
Speaker 1:One thing that nidale farage did as well that was very dangerous is, as these reports were coming out about the murderer, um, he was shedding, uh, he was trying to make the police's statement seem like they were true or they weren't true.
Speaker 1:He was shedding some doubt on them. I don't know if that's the right terminology, but basically he was reading out the reports that he was born in Cardiff and that it wasn't a terror-related incident and he was like I wonder if they're telling us the truth. This is an elected MP, basically implying that the police might be lying to us at a time where the country is on a knife's edge, there's fires being set to police fans, there's riots, and this guy's sat in his chair. I wonder if they're telling us the truth. Even if he wasn't being malicious, let's say he wasn't. It's completely incompetent to think that that's the right way to approach this situation, but I think it tends itself more to the malicious aspect where he's fueling these people on, egging these people on, because he has in the past said that the uk has a muslim problem and this is an elected mp in this country, and now he is trying so hard to backtrack. He's thrown whoever comes his way under the bus. He's thrown andrew tate, his friend, under the bus.
Speaker 2:He's from tommy robinson wait wait, didn't he say he was misled by andrew tate?
Speaker 1:I saw an article yeah, yeah, he's thrown andrew tate under the bus so he might be, he might have cried.
Speaker 2:Well, actually, no, he might have had tears coming out of his eyes without he, but he didn't cry you know that rejected him the.
Speaker 1:The reporter asked him, asked nigel ferrari, like where do you, where did you see these reports from that? He was an illegal immigrant that came, uh, on a dinghy last year. He was. Oh, I saw reports on the internet. People like andrew tate, an elected mp, is taking andrew tate as a credible source over over source over the police force in this country.
Speaker 3:Police force of one of the most powerful nations with proper system. But this guy, who's very shady, involved in a sex trafficking case, has said the most horrible and wild things and we can continue Lied to his fans, scam his fans, you know he. He's getting his information from him how is this guy?
Speaker 1:become an mp uh, it's, it's, it's crazy. I think this kind of sentiment is there in in the uk, this anti-immigration sentiment which, if that's what you want to talk about, fair enough. That's a fair concern, especially illegal immigration. If you want to talk on cracking that down, fair concern. But we have seen the truth be unearthed, because the guy who did it was not an immigrant, he was not an illegal immigrant, he was not an asylum seeker, he was not a muslim. Yet the people they choose to target are muslims, are asylum seekers, are immigrants.
Speaker 1:So how I'm struggling to see where where this adds up to. Oh yeah, these are just rightful concerns. A guy who's not an immigrant or muslim kills someone. So we rise up against the muslims and the immigrants. It's, it's completely ridiculous. And these people who are getting arrested now for their social media content, people in the us are starting to chime in when they've got no idea. The the line started here and they're like they're joining in right at the end and pretending they they know what's going on. People in the us are, like all uk's lost this freedom of speech. Your freedom of speech. Laws also do not, uh, allow you to promote violence or incite violence. The tour a tory counselor, a conservative party. Counselor's wife said go and burn that hotel, burn all of them.
Speaker 2:Wow, I taught some for for any americans that may never be mp again and get she's she's been.
Speaker 1:She's been arrested. She's the counselor's wife. Um. She's been arrested. She's the counsellor's wife. She's been arrested and people are like oh, why are these people getting arrested? What happened to free speech? That does not come under any free speech law.
Speaker 2:That's hate speech. The thing is, these people like Elon Musk and Andrew Tate, they have literally brainwashed. That's their get out of jail card. Now I'm going to spew the most horrible bullshit. Freedom of speech what?
Speaker 1:yeah, exactly, and it's not just people on that side that are getting arrested for this. There was a also a labor counselor who said something about cutting all the far right's throats, which again disgusting statement. He has also been arrested, as he should be. As he should. People who incite violence need to be arrested. We cannot have people thinking it's okay to burn down hotels and cut people's throats roaming around freely.
Speaker 2:That's just dangerous for society, especially people with authority. We cannot underestimate people with authority saying such things. It's not just a tweet. These tweets like, although people see in a digital world they are just a tweet. Whatever. Who's actually gonna do this stuff? People go and actually do that stuff.
Speaker 1:I think people need to get really understand, like, how dangerous all of this is, as we saw, as we saw, and if we speak a bit to the American part in this now, especially Elon Musk. So, after a week of these violent riots, fires being set, elon Musk decides to join in the conversation when some Muslim people start going out on the streets, and some of them have weapons and things which they shouldn't on the street, and some of them have weapons and things which they shouldn't again. If any of them are caught, they should be arrested. That is not something you should do. However, ignores the whole weeks of pogroms against muslims.
Speaker 1:Joins in when muslims start retaliating, which they shouldn't retaliate in that way. But that's literally the factual, that objective reality. They started attacking the mosques and stuff first, and then the other group retaliated and some of them retaliated in the complete wrong way. And then, when keir starmer says I will make sure to protect the muslim community, elon musk replies. Elon musk replies shouldn't you be protecting all communities? And that reminded me of during the Black Lives Matter movement, when people say Black Lives Matter and other people say All Lives Matter yeah, we're not saying all lives don't matter right now, muslims are getting literally.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not only is there a genocide happening in Palestine? So the thing's already not good for them, but their businesses have been getting destroyed, forced information for no reason. They're getting attacked.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and when we say, when people say things like Black Lives Matter or they're going to protect a specific community, is because that specific community at the present moment is under some sort of attack or is in urgent need of some sort of support from the authorities. For example, if people are disenfranchised, then it seems that systematically they're being let down. It seems almost as if their lives don't matter. So we reiterate, tell you that, oh, these lives actually do matter. That doesn't mean we're saying they're the only lives that matter. We're just seeing, reminding you in case you forgot, because it seems like the system does forget.
Speaker 1:And regarding the palestine things as well, this is one big thing they keep bringing up. They allowed the hate marches, the terrorist marches in london. The the peaceful, overwhelmingly peaceful protests for eight months in in support of palestine caused nowhere near as much damage. Of course, again, there were small groups who were chanting horrible things, but they did not burn down hotels, they did not burn down libraries, they did not burn police vans. And these guys are saying all these hate marches, they were allowed to do it and now when we stand up, we're getting thrown in prison. Just look at it objectively eight months of protesting versus one at it.
Speaker 2:Objectively, eight months of protesting versus one week and also eight months of protesting on a genocide which, factually, is happening, covered, said by the western media, credible for it's happening right.
Speaker 1:But even even when even whether you believe it's not. Regardless of that, look at the damage that's been done and you're calling those hate marches. You're calling them like terrorist supporter marches. You're meant to be the british public, the british marches, the pro-britain marches, and you're burning the country down. You're burning britain down. You're burning Britain down. You're costing the economy so much money. These police cars have to get replaced. These libraries have to get rebuilt. These citizens' advice bureaus have to be rebuilt. These police officers have to get paid for working overtime to clean up your mess. This is going to cost a lot of money and they blame the immigrants for costing them money. It just makes no sense, no sense.
Speaker 2:No sense. I think there's a rise in terrorism and terrorism, like I've said, is irrespective of your colour, religion, which country you're from, and the government needs to take strong action against this terrorism and they need to call it what it is, anything else you want to add, wally?
Speaker 1:I also want to just touch on Jordan Peterson giving people this credibility. Now, all the time he had Tommy Robinson on his platform and just allowed him to make unfounded claims throughout the whole episode. I wonder if he will take any sort of responsibility or feel any guilt for making this guy seem as like the people's champion. Now that this has happened, because the guy we've seen, jordan peterson, it's been going more towards the right every single day. Every single time you see him, he seems to be swaying further right and it's getting to a dangerous point, because this is someone who a lot of people think is a very credible person. Going on, jordan peterson gives people a lot of credibility, but right now he seems to be platforming these kind of people and you can you can have that conversation with them, but not just allow them to say whatever they want, going unchecked.
Speaker 1:Elon musk retweeting britain first uh, britain first, leaders just complete lie. What did she say? Oh yeah, she tweeted, uh, that britain was gonna start making detainment camps, which was just false, and elon musk retweeted it. The donut.
Speaker 2:I want to speak a bit more about elon, because, although jordan peterson yeah, he's got a big platform elon musk is not on twitter with. He's one of the most followed people on on planet earth and one of the most well-known people on planet earth. What, what the hell is he doing? How how does the guy like that, who owns a platform and he's encouraged so many, so many like voices that should not be having opinions on certain topics you know he's given, and people like andrew tate, so much credibility, jordan peterson, so much credibility on things they don't they have no idea about. That's what's concerning. He's repeating things that haven't been fact-checked. I'm, I'm very disappointed with that guy, very, I think that's worst.
Speaker 2:I think buying twitter is one of the worst decisions he's ever made yeah.
Speaker 1:Well for him, it might be a good decision. It allows him to peddle his ideology, his political motives, whatever they are. I think everyone can have their opinion on whatever they want, but people need to understand whose opinion is credible and whose isn't. And when the founder of the platform retweets you, it gives you a lot of credibility and he's giving a lot of credibility to people who shouldn't have any credibility. You can have your opinions whatever, but that kind of power comes with a level of responsibility which he is just completely disregarded. He doesn't fact-check anything, he just posts things, just talks. Even.
Speaker 1:There was another thing I saw from Tommy Robinson, a guy who Elon Musk now replies to, and everything. Tommy Robinson posted clear disinformation during this time. I assume he posted it because he knew it was a joke. It said that pensioners will be deported instead of asylum seekers to make space for them, something like that. Clearly not true, but I would strongly doubt that he doesn't know that. Many of his supporters will think that that is true. And when you go in the comments, many of his supporters will think that that is true. And when you go in the comments, many of them do think that it was true. Many people are like no way, we need to rise up. They're deporting the pensioners now instead of the asylum seekers. Two-tier care, two-tier policing. He knows during this time, why are you tweeting that and why does that not come with any repercussions?
Speaker 2:It's actually crazy yeah, it's pick and choosing, just it is. I don't know why he's not focusing on the good projects that he had going on and he's just giving opinions based like it's like based on the surface level information he receives, literally thumbnails it's. I don't know, man, I don't think elon is as smart as he thinks he's. I think it's going to his head just because he has succeeded in other professions. He's like he thinks that he's competent everything he touches. And I think jordan peterson has had the problem Just because you're a good psychologist doesn't make you a good political commentator.
Speaker 2:And I think there is a spiritual problem and a massive ego problem, especially nowadays, where they extrapolate their competency and people also misunderstand them. People also misunderstand them Like sometimes, like I was, for example, on this summer camp I was doing like the, you know, content creation and things like that, and one of the teachers reached out to me with our new IT stuff or not, right? Of course I was like I have no idea about that, right? But people, just because you're competent on one thing, they assume that you're competent at pretty much everything. And there needs to be a level of responsibility and honesty from these leaders that when they're not competent with something. They just need to be honest, just say how it is.
Speaker 1:I don't know why it's so difficult elon musk may be the most capable person in the world. He could be very capable of getting things done. He could be very good at business. That doesn't necessarily mean he's the most intellectual or the most morally sound. Those things don't always have to go together. There's that one, I think he's a Chinese billionaire, who everyone makes fun of for being basically incredibly stupid. So why, just because Elonk has more money than him, all of a sudden he's incredibly intelligent? Clearly, money is not directly correlated. It's not a causal factor in intelligence. So yeah, you're right, people need to stop making this link that just because people are successful in one avenue that they must be incredibly intelligent. No, they just may be very capable at doing things, which maybe he is. Or maybe the handouts he continually received from the us government and the support he's received from them throughout maybe that helped a little bit as well. Who, who knows?
Speaker 1:It could be a multitude of things, but he's definitely probably very capable to get to the point that he has got, but he might also be a very hateful individual, which some people suggest, such as his own daughter has spoke about how he's a very hateful person and she said I don't know if she said that he when she was like a little kid I think it was under 10 years old that he told her Arabic is the language of the enemy.
Speaker 1:This was again she. Apparently she put this out. Everyone can go find the thing. I don't know if it's actually her. I didn't look into it in detail, but loads of credible people were saying this is elon musk's daughter saying this and he had a lot of like interactions and stuff as well. I just didn't, I couldn't be bothered so I didn't take the time to actually double check, but apparently her daughter said that. Well, I can check now to be fair, if it is actually his daughter or not.
Speaker 2:We really need to look into what is Elon Musk's motive, because for such a powerful person to be just so unhinged is extremely dangerous for humanity.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's extremely dangerous. It's a matter of life and death yeah, it actually could be again.
Speaker 1:People need. One thing people need to take away from this is you shouldn't want to cause harm to anyone or any violence. Even if Elon Musk is dangerous in this way, that doesn't mean you go out and attack him or just do something violent to him. But the justice system in different countries need to take responsibility, uh, for these people and these americans. They're actually these right-wing Americans getting involved in UK politics now and they can't even go back a week's time to understand the situation. It's crazy how many people this started with three little girls getting killed and, I think, six others being traumatized for the rest of their life. They saw people in their dance class getting stabbed. That no one, no one should be put through that, especially at that age, and they're gonna have to live with that for the rest of their lives and what these people decide to do is make it into a race war. It's actually disgusting.
Speaker 2:It's horrible I have no words for it, man, I have no words for it. And you know, praise to those families, and it could come with a lot of guilt. They might be feeling extremely guilty, even though they're the victims. Right, because people used their tragedy as an opportunity, um to justify horrible things against a group of people. But, um, I hope the country learns something from this. The leaders and I hope, the people involved in inciting violence are held accountable and, you know, at the end of the day, we, like we, need to also have compassion and empathy and help these, you know, people who are becoming terrorists yeah, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 1:I. I can't, I can't find whether that's his daughter or not, so maybe it's not actually his daughter well, we'll speak about elon in a complete, separate video.
Speaker 2:Like I, I think there needs to be like a deep analysis of this guy because, like I said, the rule he's going down is extremely like harmful for humanity, especially the platform and the voice he has and the kind of people he's supporting. I can't believe he's actually gone down this path.
Speaker 1:I didn't expect this from him well, I did as I told you guys a while ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think after that you know the whole palestine situation. I'm not, I'm not too surprised. But that was shocking because initially it was like, oh, if anyone's gonna blackmail me with money, f you. And you're like, yeah, go on, come on, elon. And then a day later, man changed in one day. He literally it. All it took was a day. I don't know who spoke to this guy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's actually I don't know who's in the shadows.
Speaker 1:The thing is I think the nuance there is. He was talking about specific advertisers, but there were other people who were strong-arming him and they did strong-arm him. They were going to take X off the Play Store, the Google Play Store and App Store, which would have been completely like it would have X, or Twitter wouldn't have recovered from that, like it would have x or twitter wouldn't have recovered from that. And it seems like he said fu to the advertisers who didn't want to advertise on x. But I don't know what happened with the other thing. Just went away after he changed his um somehow apple and google's got so much leverage imagine you've got an app and they just say, yeah, we're taking it off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like Twitter seems like a powerful platform, but it's literally like Google and Apple can just mess up their business, just like that. Yeah, exactly, scary stuff, man. Layers to this power game, layers upon layers.
Speaker 1:Brother, this is so interesting, I'm seeing this this. So what his daughter said um, and it has all the other things that she said, but not that is that arabic is the uh language of the enemy. So I wonder either that was added to it just by people editing it to make it seem worse, or these news articles are removing that. I wonder which one it is, because in the screenshots I saw that was a part of it.
Speaker 2:Well, one thing I can say about Elon after reading his autobiography it was written by someone else but the guy shadowed him and stuff like that, so it's most the most popular popular autobiography on him. And he was bullied when he was little like beaten up really badly and usually these traumatized, you know. Uh, kids they grow up to be tyrannical in some ways and they are okay with the ideas of like inciting violence to an extent because they have suffered so much in their childhood. So I think that that's also, you know, worth looking into is like his childhood has probably also plays part in like him, his tendencies to incite violence yeah, definitely there is some psychological thing going on there because, as people have pointed out, he has like quite a fragile ego as well.
Speaker 1:And another interesting thing to know is this guy, who is very anti-immigration in the west, is an immigrant to the united states. Uh and yeah again. If that doesn't show the hypocrisy, then I don't know what it will. The guy born in cardiff wasn't even an immigrant. He was born in cardiff. Tommy robinson, I'm pretty sure he's irish, he has an Irish passport, but the guy born in Cardiff is not from Cardiff.
Speaker 2:Make it make sense, I don't know. It's terrible. Man. Brother, thank you so much for educating us on this. I've been very busy, you know, not really kept up with the news, but yeah, thank you, you explained it brilliantly and yeah, let's just pray things get better, and thank you so much and pray for the families of those girls as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you guys for watching. If you've got anything interesting to comment, let us know. Yeah, thanks for watching.
Speaker 2:All the best, bye, bye.
Speaker 1:Bye.
