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Andrew Tate Investigated For Allegations Involving Minors & Downfall of MrBeast
What if the internet's most influential figures aren't who they seem to be? Join us on the Last Neanderthals podcast as we tackle the deeply troubling allegations against Andrew Tate and Mr Beast. Andrew Tate, an idol to many young men, shockingly admits to exploitation and sexual misconduct involving minors, a reality that we must confront despite the discomfort it causes. We also delve into the accusations against Mr Beast, who faces serious claims of unethical behaviour or within his team, including connections with child predators, challenging his carefully crafted family-friendly image.
In this episode, we dissect the manipulative tactics of Andrew Tate, who frames legal actions against him as attacks by a mysterious 'matrix,' akin to the strategies of cult leaders. From preemptive claims of persecution to exploiting misconceptions about court processes, Tate's methods are designed to maintain his influence over his followers. We also scrutinize the contradictions in Tate's rhetoric, such as his involvement in a crypto project despite previous statements to the contrary, and question if he has truly made any positive impact on bridging the gender divide.
Turning our focus to MrBeast, we examine the alarming actions and affiliations that tarnish his philanthropic image. From unethical practices targeting young audiences to alleged financial mismanagement, we question whether his proclaimed altruism is genuine. This episode also explores the broader implications of idolizing such figures, emphasizing the importance of ethical behavior and genuine human connections over materialistic values. Join us as we advocate for self-reflection, accountability, and becoming better role models for a healthier society.
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Welcome back to the Last Neanderthals podcast. Today we're talking about two of the most famous people in the world right now, certainly two of the biggest figures on the internet Andrew Tate and Mr Beast. Both have been alleged accused of doing some very heinous things. Particularly Andrew Tate has been accused of doing some of the worst things that a human being can do. With both of these figures, they have a massive audience, which is why it's really important to discuss these topics. Discuss these topics.
Speaker 1:Uh, with andrew tate, a lot of men idolize him. They they think he's speaking for them. Um, and there are a lot of disenfranchised men out there, especially young men, like teenagers as well, young kids who look up to him and idolize him, follow, and this is, from what it seems like, just a not great role model, to put it very lightly. And then, on the other hand, we also have MrBeast, who's always had this good guy image. A lot of children watch him. He's the most subscribed person on YouTube. A lot of parents feel comfortable with their kids watching him because he's always had this family-friendly vibe about his channel. But now some very serious allegations have come out about him and MrBeast's channel and company in general, involving child predators being on the team and other sorts of exploitation. But first I think we should talk about the Andrew Tate case. So tell us a bit about what's come out recently. Khushal about him.
Speaker 2:So he's been accused of having intercourse with minors and he's getting prosecuted for that. And you know he, when he was becoming famous, he has admitted to a lot of crimes himself. You know he has a where he says that he has had intercourse with someone of the age of 15, um, and very, he talks about you know how young girls are impressionable he's. He also treated things like that, like he likes young women so they don't get brainwashed. And you know you can see that the aim is to control the women, because his background is in a webcam business and he's admitted to these things that he used to control them by, you know, the lover boy method make them fall in love with them, have intercourse with them, tell them that you know they need them, and you know he would take majority of the profits because you know these are his words.
Speaker 2:He said women are stupid, they don't understand tax things of that nature, that nature. So I mean there's layers of explicit exportations. Women have also come out said that you know they have been um, they have been um, I don't know this is raped. You know there's it's very hard to have this conversation wallyally because the heinous things that has come out of his mouth and the horrible crimes that he's been accused of like. Sometimes when we use these words, it's a very uncomfortable experience, but that's a bit of a background on him. I didn't do the best job of describing Gabe, but I hope it gets a picture.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think what you're trying to say is just the things he's been saying, and the details provided are so vulgar that it is difficult to talk about. But it's also important to talk about, because, no matter how difficult it is to have these uncomfortable conversations, it's obviously, as you know, as I know, a lot more difficult for the women who went through and suffered at his hands. The craziest thing about him is the level of self snitching he's been doing on his way up. So I've not had time to really look into things, but I watched that video that you sent me, uh, which was, uh, true, geordie's video, yes, and in this he basically just provides videos of Andrew Tate himself speaking and talking about all of these things that he's been accused of. Now, um, there's one video where he he's speaking about, uh, his relations with a girl, and then he says with, like, with girls in general, and he's talking about, like, our 15 year olds, 16 year olds, whatever the legal age is here. So it's that's so weird. It's like, uh, he doesn't actually care what age they are, as long as it fits the legal age in the country which he is currently in. I think he was in america at that point. So then the guy corrected him and said it was 18. Where? Then he said oh, 18, whatever, it's all the same. Something like that, which is very disturbing, because this is a man who's in his 30s like. The level of exploitation involved with that in that is insane.
Speaker 1:15 year olds are their kids like we've been 15. You think you're mature at that age, but realistically, most 15 year olds I'd say almost all 15 year olds don't really have the capacity to consent. And maybe people will bring up this argument that all 15 year olds would get married 100 years ago or whatever. But we're not living in the same times now. Society has changed and I think people have changed as well. 15-year-olds now are probably not what 15-year-olds were 100 years ago. They're not exposed to the same things. They don't live in the same society. Maybe there's a case that back then people matured a lot quicker.
Speaker 1:But, bro, in the world we live in, 15 year olds are definitely just kids like it's so insane to me how someone can even feel that way about someone that age, when he's in his 30s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's actually insane it is. It's disgusting because there is such a huge like power imbalance. Someone who has 30 years over them, especially such a young and impressionable person like that, should raise red flags. And what really shocks me that he's admitted to all of these crimes himself and he said these things, but he's still defended online. Yeah, people are still defending him. And this is where, where, where it's heartbreaking why do you think that is that this guy has admitted to so many crimes. There's a voice note of him actually saying that he likes to the r word women and he's literally telling this woman that you liked it and I enjoy.
Speaker 1:I enjoy doing this, um, and I saw that in the video as well, the True Geordie video, where he says something along the lines of like the crazy thing is, the more you didn't like it, the more I liked it, which is it's evil, it's like psychotic. Yeah, it's very sadistic. I think the reason people are defending him. Some of them will give these things that I just outlined where they'll say like, oh, but 100 years ago, 15 year old, blah, blah, blah we've just covered that quickly. But also he's kind of indoctrinated people into this cult of his where anything that happens to him now you you were speaking about this the other day as well, when we talked about on the phone- it's like a matrix attack and he's purposely framed this from a long time, uh, for a long time now, whereas anything that happens to him he's gonna say, say it's a matrix attack, they're going after me.
Speaker 1:There's actually no evidence, no proof, even though he's been speaking about these things himself. These words have come out of his mouth, but maybe he'll say it was AI and they'll believe him. We've seen this time and time again. Whatever these cult leaders say, the followers believe because they're, like, indoctrinated. They don't know.
Speaker 2:And he's also very smart because the thing is he knows what's gonna happen next, right, with this case. So they probably give him one warning, or like they tell him like you know, this day, you, we gotta take you into jail. Or this day, like they have a rough idea of like, okay, you, we gotta take you into jail. Or this day, like they have a rough idea of like, okay, you know what they're going to jail. So he gets on a podcast. He literally says that thing that, oh, first they try to silence you, then they will put you in jail, and then they will. So I'm on my third life, second life, and you know he gives these warnings prior to the podcast. Right, he's able to do that. And they're like oh, look, guys, andrew t called this.
Speaker 2:Andrew t called this because he's in the middle of a case that he knows. He knows he's in trouble. And then he spins this narrative in his own favor and whenever he's released, he's got these meme accounts, these little minion accounts uh, not meme accounts, these little minion accounts which you know, these this affiliate uh, affiliate marketing where they get paid, and they're like oh, andrew tate released, look how he's innocent, oh, he's getting put into jail and they're releasing him. They're playing this game with him. No, this is a proper investigation. He's getting checked for fraud, which he's admitted to, sex trafficking, which a lot of things he I mean he literally had a course on how to manipulate women in order to get them to join your webcam business. You know. He calls it PhDs. I hate to say I have to say these things. He calls it pimping horse degree. I mean he's literally teaching how to be a pimp online is disgusting. I mean. I can keep going.
Speaker 2:And he frames, he frames himself, sorry, yes so he he's, he's admitted to selling drugs before and then you know, and a lot of things like, he's literally framed himself and these cases take a lot of time. There's so many individuals involved in this, so many, it's a. If it's a whole network, right, it's not going to be like, oh, like guys, oh, if he was guilty, they would have already put him in jail. No, they need to, they need the, the law. It doesn't work like that. It's years of evidence, it's a lot of individuals involved and they have to figure out what's the right amount of sentence, if there is one to be given to him. So it's not as simple and uh thing as. Okay, you know, they can just sort it out in a week or two and then put him in jail and then share all that evidence with the world because someone's like oh, where's the evidence? Where's the evidence? Why would the, why would the the court share the evidence with public when it's a, when it's literally investigating him, why it's an ongoing?
Speaker 1:ongoing investigation and I think it's literally investigating him. It's an ongoing situation.
Speaker 2:It's an ongoing investigation and I think it's also the lack of literacy from people. I think, you know they don't really understand how court cases work and I think, to an extent, we don't have an idea as well. But that doesn't mean, like you know, just because we don't have an idea, it doesn't mean like, oh, we should now everything Andrew Tate says. So we're like okay, you know, father tate, we listen to you, we abide by you. Yeah, we abide to your rules, and whatever you say is a covenant, because that's how these people are viewing him as as this court leader who's coming, he's here to save them and the system, the matrix, is against them and he's their savior yeah, and it's uh.
Speaker 1:It's so funny because you see this, with all these, these uh people with shady pasts and shady uh personalities, they they like to frame themselves as this, like a virtuous hero who's going against the system, and now the system is targeting them for it, like they put themselves in the same bracket as, like someone like julian assange, for example, who is truly going against the system and really risking everything to do so. And then you have these uh, andrew tates. Andrew tates, an internet pimp, who holds himself to the same regard. He thinks he's really going against the system. He's not.
Speaker 1:There's loads of people who are saying the same things as you online. The issue is, you're also accused of being involved in criminal activity, and you've said many things that support those accusations yourself. It's not that you're just breaking people's minds and saying these crazy things and like sharing this unknown information that people didn't have. So the system's going after you. There's loads of these red pill content creators and youtubers and whatever saying the exact same thing, but not all of them are involved in criminal activity. And the same thing's true for Tommy Robinson. He's also framed himself as this like moral, virtuous crusader going against the system, when he's just a con artist. He's. He's also indoctrinating all of these people, exploiting them into believing whatever he wants them to believe. Andrew Tate's doing literally the exact same thing, and this is why these two are very like buddy-buddy, even though they're ones a Muslim. Andrew Tate says he's a Muslim and all the ones anti-Islam. He's anti-Muslims. Yet these two are friends. It's because they're playing the same game. They're playing the same scam on their audiences. That's why they join forces.
Speaker 2:To what extent do you think this narrative control that these guys have put in place? Because with Tommy Robinson, you can accuse him or someone can, allegedly, one can say that one can allege him off, like saying, inciting violence, especially doing the rights right, which would be a criminal activity. Or with Tate, you know, um, again, he has a whole investigation going on, but they just spin the narrative. Do you think this not? You know, like he's all the matrix after him. Do you think this will actually help him with the case? Do you think this? You know, like he's all the matrix after him Do you think this will actually help him with the case? Do you think public opinion will? Then? Do you think that has an impact?
Speaker 2:Because there are a lot of people like I mean, he's got very powerful figures like Tucker Carlson, candace Owens, she's literally defending him. She's making videos about how you're complicit in not defending Andrew Tate and you know all these accusations that are made against him. So there's this public opinion actually, because this way it seems like to me that he's trying to get the public on side and he thinks that he can save his image by, I don't know, saying that everything is a matrix attack and maybe that will give him a lighter sentence if there is one or at least save his face. You know he's not going to admit who on the right man, who's a criminal, will admit? Oh guys, I'm a criminal. So these people are very gullible because, of course, andrew j is never going to tell you that he's a criminal, but he's very good at like showing that he's not a criminal, like he's very good at manipulating that narrative. So do you think it will actually affect the case?
Speaker 1:sorry to repeat the question um, maybe, maybe in the sense that there might be like delays to it and stuff, and maybe they'll be more precautious in the sentencing and also the gathering of evidence. They will most likely want to build as strong of a case as possible so that there's as little for people to complain about. Maybe in that sense, but I don't think they can rely on just um, having this army of supporters to avoid justice. It could work, maybe, because I think people have done this throughout history. When they want to, when they're scared, when, when they're desperate, they appeal to the masses. When they know they've done something wrong and, uh, they're going to get in trouble for it, they call out to people to say an injustice is happening and this could happen to you. You need to rise up, you need to support me, you need to defend me, we need to fight back against the system. This isn't something new. It's happening literally everywhere all over the world throughout history.
Speaker 2:When someone is going down for something bad, they try and get people on their side you're perfectly correct, because he's made several videos warning men that if I can be accused of sexual assault, so can you be. A woman can go literally to the police with no evidence and get you. You will be in the jail the next day, which is not entirely true, and he's just making all men victims, even though, of course, there are some cases but it's not as likely in the case of women where there's false accusation against what do you call it? Men. That does happen. False accusations just happen against men. But you know, women women are the real victims because when we look at the surveys that you know, 97% of women has experienced some kind of harassment in the uk. And then this guy is like, you know, there's no need for, let's say, feminism or let's forget that word. There's no.
Speaker 1:It's the men who are suffering and women it's their world and they control the world I think it's important to to to mention to the young men out there who do idolize these people that you don't know these people on the internet. They're not your friends. They don't have your best best interests at heart, especially when they've boasted in the past about scamming people, exploiting people. This is a guy who who's like. He's clearly not a virtuous person. He ran a webcam business. He's boasted about doing fraud. Uh, before he used to pretend to be a woman to talk to desperate men and get their money off of them. This is a guy who's got serious question marks against his character. So is this really the person who you want to be getting your um, just your morality from, your advice from? He's not a good person and he pretends to be this alpha male, which I don't know what. Alpha male pretends to be a woman to talk to desperate men in like a sexual way, having these conversations behind the keyboard like what?
Speaker 1:imagine the the like warriors of 100, 200, 300 years ago doing that and this is what he presents himself as a warrior, going against the system. He's. He's just a scammer, he's a fraudster and everything he does aligns with that and it always has. Like this program he has, this course he sells. He says he's pro-Palestine, but his biggest funder and supporter, that wizard guy or whatever it is in his war room thing, is a massive Zionist. So this guy, he's just going after public opinion because he has nothing else. That's, that's all that holds him up yeah he's not.
Speaker 1:He's not run a legitimate business ever. Everything he's done is exploitative and he's carrying that on till now. He doesn't know how to make uh a living in uh an acceptable moral manner, and the only admirable thing he's done is his kickboxing thing he was actually good at that and fair enough giving credit for that.
Speaker 1:There's loads of good kickboxers. There's loads of good UFC fighters, boxers, people like Anthony Joshua who have tried, who have, like, made such an effort to present themselves in a good way and be a good role model. Who would beat the shit out of andrew tate? Why would you take andrew tate as this? Oh, he's the one I'm gonna go for, the warrior it's. It's really.
Speaker 1:It's really sad and it's really disheartening, and I think part of it is that these men do feel like they're not being listened to when they bring forward their concerns, because a lot of men are lonely. Not only do they not have, like, female attention, they also don't have any friends or any good friends. Um, so then they they cling towards these types of people to tell them like, like, it's all the world's fault, it's not your fault, it's feminism's fault, it's the system's fault. Everything is against men. You're, you're perfectly fine, but maybe you need a bit of self-reflection to figure out. What do I need to do to be a better person so that people do like me, people do like to have conversations with me, and it's not that you need to be more of an alpha male or you need to do more of whatever Andrew Tate says.
Speaker 1:Make millions of dollars, whatever, you'll still be a lonely person. Still no one will like you, whether you have zero pounds in your bank or a million pounds in your bank. If you're not a good person, have zero pounds in your bank or a million pounds in your bank if you're not a good person. However, there is a positive message in that, like having a strong mind and having strong willpower, working hard. All those things are great, but then I don't understand where the woman hating and that comes from.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there is. Of course, there's a lot of positive message. You know about going to gym, working hard, but you can get that from David Goggins and he doesn't have heinous things coming out of his mouth. He's not been accused of multiple crimes. He's not been accused of multiple crimes.
Speaker 2:But again, like you said, I think the reason why young men are so brainwashed by him is because of his populist narrative. You know, he's appealing to them that the system's against you, it's not your fault. You know it's the women's fault, it's the government's fault, things of that nature. It's a. It gives them a way out to not look inward, you know, and he doesn't want them to look inward. He doesn't want these kids to believe that they can get themselves out of this situation. He wants them to think that I'm here to save you. I'm, I'm, I'm your savior and I can be your savior if you join my course for 50 dollars, right, oh, yeah, oh, oh, yeah, oh. You know the crypto project. He he said multiple times he will never do a crypto project. But then, you know, he went back on his word. And you know, you know, even though he says that he's a man of his word, he's stoic and he's principled, then again lied to his fan and started a crypto project. It's he, he. He wants these people to rely on him. He doesn't just like how he accuses the system of like keeping people poor, he wants to keep his audience brainwashed, he wants to keep them dependent on on him, and I think that's extremely harmful. Instead of giving these people real educational tools right to become a good human being, right, he's instilling hate in them.
Speaker 2:Let's look at it this way has Andrew Tate? Okay? So let's say there are real concerns between the division, like there are real concerns in the gender dynamic of male and women. Right between the two sexes, there is a lot of complications. There is lack of unity, lack of understanding. Okay, so the problem is there. Has Andrew Tate closed the bridge? Has he developed more understanding between men and women?
Speaker 1:No, definitely not.
Speaker 2:So he's failed. So he's failed, no matter what he says. That, oh, a lot of women support me. Women constantly reach out to me and they see me as this role model.
Speaker 1:He has at least one daughter that I'm aware of. He might have more because of some of the messages that were in that True Geordie video, but he has a daughter, pretty sure. His brother, who's also just a complete weirdo, but he has a daughter Pretty sure his brother, who's also just a complete weirdo, also has a daughter. His brother is everything that's wrong with Andrew Tate. Plus, he's very stupid as well, which makes him possibly even worse than Andrew Tate. He's just such a weirdo. Both these guys are just very weird specimens.
Speaker 1:Another huge problem in this is that when he was first really rising to fame, you had a lot of uh, people on the left side of politics and a lot of women who would get asked in these videos that went viral, viral what do you think of Andrew Tate? And they'd say, oh, I hate him, all of this stuff, he's a horrible person. And then they'd get asked okay, can you tell me why he's misogynist or a thing he's said that is misogynist? And they wouldn't have an answer. And I think it is important to not put yourself in that position, because people looking from the outside look at that and go, oh, these idiots. Look, he's right, andrew Tate is right, he's just saying these people have been brainwashed into hating me.
Speaker 1:I think the important nuance there is that not everyone remembers every single thing that they hear about a person. They might've heard something about Andrew Tate and been like that's horrible, that's disgusting, but not retain that information because they don't, I don't know. Not everyone returns it retains every single piece of information. But if you're going to make that statement publicly a guy's coming to interview you you need something to back that up. You can't just say I hate him and then when you get pressed like fumble and say I don't want to have this conversation anymore, I just hate him.
Speaker 1:He's a misogynist Because that amplifies his point of these people are just brainwashed to hate me. And when these young men see that and they don't have all the information of how Andrew Tate is dangerous and he is a bad person, they look at that and see oh yeah, look at these idiots. They hate him but they're not even giving a reason and then they go more and more towards him at every single step. There's loads of people who have become Andrew Tate fans who could have been stopped from going down that line if people just had conversations with them and gave them evidence and valid reasons to show them that this guy is an absolute donor.
Speaker 2:Also, he's incredibly smart. So these minion accounts that ask these questions in order to portray a positive image of Tate, let's say they came across a person like you, wally, they can cut that out.
Speaker 2:They can cut that out from the interview Because the narrative is so important for Andrew Tate and, yes, I remember now what I was going to say. So he said about Romania he moved to. One of the reasons why he moved to Romania was because the laws were much more like. They weren't as strict as UK and he was also accused of rape in UK. There was a case going on that was dropped.
Speaker 2:Now he's been picked back up again and he said like oh, like, what is Romania going to do when they call me into court? I will have a pile of cash in my hands and I'll just chuck it away. You know, just just give it all to them and boom case over. He's literally said that. And now he's like recently when, when he was taken back to court again, he was like oh, I've painted such a positive image of this country. This country does not appreciate me. Bro, you're out for your own interest. What your real intentions were, the reason why you truly moved there? You've already given that away. You have already said these things that, oh, romania is a corrupt country. You can pay off everyone.
Speaker 2:And I think he doesn't realize that these people remember this and they have piles and piles of evidence against him. But what was I mean? Of course he's got to do what he's got to do, but the real disappointment comes from people like you said, like, instead of like doing their research, investigation, investigation, taking everything he says with a pinch of salt, you know, to get more views, like, for example, some of the muslim figures I have associated with himself. Or like, since he's become muslim, like a lot, a lot of muslims have been given him a pass. What is ali dawa, muhammad hijab? Like they're so lenient on him. I'm like, what are you guys doing, man? I know like, yeah, he's a muslim, he's starting with a clean slate, but you should all be still be cautious. This guy is involved in multiple cases. You gotta take things. His actions need to speak louder than words and I told you action. We haven't seen much action. Like it changed in terms of his action. Right, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2:That doesn't mean like, okay, so, for example, tomorrow I'll go around murdering everyone. And then, a couple years down the line, let's say I'm an atheist, right, and I'll go around murdering everyone. A couple years down the line, you know, I'm like, oh, I'm muslim. And everyone's like, oh, now, clean state who shall? God has wiped all your sins away. That's weaponizing the religion.
Speaker 2:I need to be held accountable. Do you see what I mean? Like these people need to be held accountable. Like we don't know whether that you know way.
Speaker 2:It's not even about his like, whether he's a real muslim or not. That's not the point here. I'm saying these people, like they need to be very careful on who they platform and if they're gonna platform them. You can't just to promote like your beliefs and like your religion which is all good, by the way but you can't like just give him a lenient past, like, oh, you know, like he's done nothing wrong, like he's not involved in these cases, he's not been alleged of some of the most heinous crimes, and just take him for his word. He said I have changed, I don't want to do this anymore. And then you're like okay, wow, because he said so, wow, and Andrew Tay has changed. Let me associate myself with him.
Speaker 2:It's words man. Words are cheap and he's very good at convincing people into believing that he's a changed person. We have not seen inaction. Are these people living with him in their house? Are they seeing his day-to-day life? So, anyone I don't care who he is, even with us, if you haven't met us right, don't totally say, oh, like we're these fully righteous people, we are bad people. Don't fully, fully, full-on. Jump to the conclusion right away. Don't do that. It's very harmful, very harmful. Get manipulated.
Speaker 1:I think it is important to add that people do change and people can change, so there's nothing wrong with?
Speaker 1:initially giving people that chance and giving them, uh, an opportunity to explain themselves. But when then they show time and time again that they haven't changed and they're still doing the exact same things, you do have to then say, okay, this, maybe this guy's not what he said. Maybe I should come out and to my audience explain that my views don't align with his, uh, because he's not who he said. It was things like that. I think some of those people have gone on to condemn him and basically say, like god, just, he's not that guy that he said he was. But others still haven't. And others, a lot of people still um, support him to this day, like you said, even like non-muslims, like candace owens, to this day still support him, despite everything that comes out. And muslims also do that just because he says he's a muslim, but isis also say they're muslim, we're not going to support them are, are we because they're clearly not that's very well said and I mean we.
Speaker 2:We need to. For example, let's look at his actions when the riots were happening against Muslims. He was again inciting violence. The way he was treating.
Speaker 1:Using words like pachis, like how is he? How is that? Ok, man came, man, yeah, and more, more worse than that, was he, he, he was one of the first people to jump on the idea that this was an illegal immigrant who came on a boat last year. Uh, he, he was one of the first people to tweet that out. Um, one of the biggest first, like major accounts, to tweet out, and this is a guy who's who muslims support. I think for that one as well, muhammad hijab, uh, went on to call him out and say, like, what are you doing? Basically, um, but I think that needed to happen before that, to be honest, because he was clearly going down that path beforehand, having conversations with people like katie hopkins and constantly supporting um, what's his name?
Speaker 1:Tommy robinson, and his brother, tristan tate, doing the same thing as well. Bro, these, these guys, these guys are disgusting. And tommy robinson aligning with himself with these guys who've said that they've been sexually involved with minors over and over again. But this guy's meant to be like the savior of young girls and women, but he's mingling with all these people who abuse women, who exploit women, and he's in the same circles as them, retweeting them. They're retweeting him.
Speaker 1:It again goes to show you that these people actually have no morality to stand on.
Speaker 1:They're just exploiting people and what people are passionate about, because normal people do hate these things, normal people do think these things are disgusting and evil and the people who commit them should be held accountable.
Speaker 1:But then you have opportunists who just see them as a business opportunity or a political opportunity to further themselves in lives, which is despicable, and I think, like we spoke about in the rights video, people who do that kind of stuff need to be held accountable and more needs to be done to combat this, which I don't know how that can happen, but I'm sure there's smart people out there who can figure that out. But I think we should move on to the Mr B stuff now, because that's also very important because, like we said earlier, this guy holds a lot of influence over kids and young people in general. So for him to be acting so irresponsibly is, um, deeply troubling. It is very troubling and I think it again adds to the point that we've made previously that if you have kids, young kids, keep them away from the internet, keep them away from social media and all of these things, because it's it's not a great place to be honest first of all with, uh, chris ava tyson.
Speaker 2:Um, you know, she was involved, um, with messaging young boys, telling them to call her daddy, things like that, having like sexual jokes with them. In no way, even if it was, let's say, just a joke. And, um, chris tyson has done nothing, let's say nothing wrong the fact that he they are. This is a 30.
Speaker 1:This is again someone who's like 30 years old or over, I guess pretty sure a.
Speaker 2:A lot older, right? I mean at least 10 years older, these kids, right? And by the way, they're 13, 14 in a discord, right? If this is happening, how can Mr Beast even affiliate someone like that? Even if they're pedophilic tendencies, why would Mr Beast even platform a person like that? And of course, they're best friends. So how can Mr Beast be so ignorant to the fact that this has been taking place? He knew about the jokes, the fact certain jokes were made like this and, of course, for him to play ignorant that he was in a way, I think, is a blatant lie. And then we saw, with that one person that was a registered pedophile, right, he's had him involved in his shows and it's not like he's had rehab, nothing, he's literally, I think, even if he had rehab, rehab if you're on the list, you can't work with kids and you can't work in your life again you're right, mr
Speaker 1:beast channel has kids on regularly and it appeals to kids mostly. And then you have people like chris in there who are who are preying on this audience basically fans, getting them to do stuff for him and then sending them inappropriate messages when they're they're just little kids. He's taking advantage of them. And again, this is a guy who does not have a good track record. He's very islamophobic, as we've seen from his tweets before. So we've defended Mr Beast in the past when he helped restore like loads of people's vision and people calling him out for that. That was ridiculous. But this is not ridiculous. This is something he needs to address as soon as possible and shed light on, because you cannot be the biggest youtuber with mainly kids watching your videos and then so many of your team members two is too many in my opinion, because apparently the guy who's actually on the list was like a vital member of the team and people knew he was on the list but they just kind of blind eye to it because he was capable, he would get things done. And then Chris Tyson is obviously one of the main people on the channel as well. He always comes on, so it's no excuse. Like you said, he's his best friend, something.
Speaker 1:This needs to be looked into and investigated properly because it is very concerning for all the parents out there who who let their kids watch this guy's youtube channel because it's meant to be family friendly. And another thing that came out was these like illegal lotteries and gambling things that they do, where they get kids to purchase their t-shirts and they say, oh, buy the t-shirt quick and you might have a chance to win this. All of that. This is literally gambling for kids. It's. It's crazy that it was allowed to go on and nothing's happened, because I'm pretty sure that that is illegal. Maybe they found some loopholes to get around it, but it is definitely immoral, even if it is not illegal yeah, it's again hypocrisy.
Speaker 2:I mean, he has promoted this image of himself that you know he doesn't care about money and he doesn't care about the fame, he just wants to do good, um, giving homeless people money, things of that nature. But when a lot of people were winning the lotteries, right they, they said that oh, if you get three in a row you will get cars. Most of them didn't get the rewards. This other thing you mentioned again, the actions don't align with their words and it's a massive disappointment because we saw him as one of like, um, the good in internet, like a net positive. But I mean the, the, this, all stuff right, like it's forgivable.
Speaker 2:But to put a sex predator around kids man, like this needs to be investigated. In my opinion, that that needs to be really investigated, because that is some epstein type of stuff. Yeah, how can these kids, man, god forbid, if something happened you have traumatized, you could ruin that kid's life for the for the rest of their life. Like they will have a trauma, they will never have normal life again is, is that dangerous and you're exposing kids to that yeah, and there's also other things that came out about, like contestants in challenges being mistreated and, uh, I'm not.
Speaker 1:I'm not too sure if there's too much evidence regarding that. The guy who made the video said there'll be another part in where they go into detail on that, but again, that's another concerning thing, but this again points to the fact that you don't know these people on the internet. We had a conversation about MrBeast a long time ago where we said that maybe he's not genuine in what he's doing, but what he's doing is helping a lot of people. So in that case, like it's a net positive, like we said, so it's still good. However, if then these things come to light where he's abusing people, not actually giving them the money, and then the child, uh, predator stuff as well on top of that, then it's clearly not and that's positive, and it also becomes clear, maybe, that his intentions are not as genuine as we thought.
Speaker 1:Um, as many people. Obviously, we had concerns about that previously, because, as a person who is very empathetic, I find it hard to believe that your best friend would be so Islamophobic and all this stuff going way back into the past and you'd just be okay with that question marks over his, his authenticity, going back further than this current thing. But we said it's okay because he's helping people, but now it seems like he might not even be helping people.
Speaker 1:Another red flag, I think, is that this is a guy who works so hard he does work incredibly hard to make all this money to become so famous, to become so successful, but then his, his plan is that when, when I'm gonna die, I'm just gonna give it all to charity, and the reason that this is a red flag for me is a lot of people do say this, but to me this is a red flag because in life you put all this effort in make all this money, become such a famous person, get all this success, but then, when it comes time to giving back, instead of putting systems in place and doing all that hard work that you did to get famous and get rich, you just give it away you say, I'll let someone else handle that, this, that this is something that's known as effective altruism, and it's an idea that's subscribed to by people like Sam Bankman, freed and a lot of these millionaires and billionaires, where they say the most effective way for me to do good is become as rich as possible and then give the money away.
Speaker 1:But I think, think, like I said, these people always tend to get exposed for doing bad things, like Sam Bankland did for scamming so many people and just being a morally bankrupt person.
Speaker 1:There tends to be a pattern because if you are so capable that you can make all this money and you can become so successful, if your true intentions were really to give back and be a good person, fair enough, you can do the thing of I'm going to make as much money as possible, but then why, at the last hurdle, would you be lazy and say I'll just give it away to charity, and say, oh, I'll just give it away to charity. Surely you'd have a driving factor within you, a driving power to say, okay, I'll put that effort to make sure this money is also being used efficiently to help as many people as possible, instead of initially putting the hard work in to get the money and then being lazy with that, to get the fame, to get everyone to think you're an amazing person, get all the benefits, and then, when it comes to actually doing the good, you take the lazy way out and say, oh, I'll let someone else handle that and they might not even do that, like the.
Speaker 2:The thing is it's words. Yeah, exactly, do the speaking honestly because, at the end of the day, words are cheap and people need to take these things with a pinch of salt, especially people online, you know. Until someone hasn't shown back their words with action, just be cautious, really be cautious. But yeah, I mean, you put that really well. But yeah, I mean you put that really well. I don't know what else we can talk about regarding this, except that there needs to be a proper investigation done into Mr Beast, because to actually expose kids to such predators. It's like I can't believe I'm even saying this, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the most disturbing thing is that the reports that are coming out say that he knew. So this is what people need clarity on, like did you know or did you not know? And if you did know, how could you let this happen? How could you let it go ahead?
Speaker 2:and my advice to people is also right like yes, of course mr beast done great work and we have acknowledged it when especially when the internet was attacking him for, like, helping blind people yes, rightfully so. I will still back him when it comes to that. But when he does something wrong, just because he's got crazy amount of subscribers and he's done great things in the past, that doesn't mean we give him pass. We don't give pass for criminal activities. We just never give a pass for criminal activities.
Speaker 1:Because even if it's not criminal if it's exploitative you never in life should you throw your values out the window for money, fame, power, whatever it is. If it ever gets to that point where you're making a decision and it's going to infringe on your values, but you might climb higher up in the ladder or get some money or get more fame and you're thinking, oh, this is just one hit I need to take to get closer to my goal and then I'll do the good. It never works. Everyone always get corrupted, like your values need to be your number one thing and uh, it seems like for these people that's not the case, which I might be wrong, but it seems like they prioritize the money, the fame and everything else over just being a good human being and, uh, that never leads to a good outcome 100 and the the thing is right, if god forbid.
Speaker 2:Right, let's say I worked with. I have a business partner, right, and they make they help me make billions, crazy amount of money. Right, and we do things ethically. But at some point he's involved in criminal activity and really disturbing things, like you know I'm talking like assault things of that nature then that's a test of my principles, right. Of course, staying with that person will, would you call it will make me more money. But what if I become like them?
Speaker 2:This is why you can't like, you can't like fold your principles for them, you can't like break your values for them, because you, you will, you give that a pass. You can't give that a pass, especially when something's so heinous as, let's say, when it's a predatory behavior towards children, you have to. I don't care how nice. You can't give pass to disturbing things like what he mentioned. You can't. You have to hold that action accountable, even if it's like a lie. Let's say, wally is one of the most amazing co-hosts I can have. Founders I have, right, let's say, me and your business partners, but some point that down the line. You lie and I know you lied, and you're still a great partner. By the way, it's very important for me to like, say wally, that's not okay, because it's not just for my good, it's also for what is good.
Speaker 2:You know what? He should never feel like the success he's providing, the great value he's providing. It gives him a, gives him the power to break his values or to basically mistreat or exploit someone. No, no, it's not, because the thing is right if we do that. There are a lot of people that are trying to get rich, famous and, uh, they want to be liked by the people so they can do horrible things. Yeah, and we, we, and if we have this mentality now, he's done a lot of good. He's helped blind people, homeless people, whatever. Oh, let's give mr beast a, defend him. No, it must be fake news. Oh, it was his friends that were involved. This is not Mr Beast's fault. Nah, that can't run.
Speaker 1:That can't run. There's never an excuse to exploit people. I don't care what the end goal is or how much benefit you can get out of it whatever. There's never an excuse to take advantage of someone or exploit them.
Speaker 2:It's, it's not okay it never is okay, and just the people online need to stop worshipping and idolizing these people. They're not gods, right? Yeah, you gotta.
Speaker 1:And also also worshipping money. Like money is literally not everything. It's ridiculous that we live in such a material world that people use that as a Like. For example, they say to someone oh yeah, he's done all this, but he's rich, so, so who cares the murderer? It's actually an embarrassing mindset to have, I think, to be so dependent on something so material. It's. It is, in my opinion, very embarrassing, and it it's these people. You also don't have that money and you're sticking up for these people by saying, oh, at least they have money. You're sitting like at home on your keyboard, struggling like everyone else, and you're making someone else. You're making fun of someone else and making them feel bad because the third person involved has more money than the other guy is genuinely such an embarrassing mindset to have and never be insecure about the work you do, or like what's like your status in society and all this shit.
Speaker 2:Like I saw this video, this reel by Alpha Male, he was like, oh, when people at the table ask you, like where you're from and what job you do, basically what they really want to find out is how much respect they should give you, right? So in those cases, stay silent and da-da-da-da, just, you know one of those, you know, sigma alpha. I was like what a bad advice. Listen, you need to introduce yourself, you need to take pride in where you're from and the job you do, because not only, okay, I was like this is such a win-win situation. Not only do you not want to be affiliated with people that are going to judge their levels of respect they're going to give you based on what job and where you're from, right, let's.
Speaker 2:Let's say I share that with you and Wally, you know, he's like, oh, because in a sense that he doesn't, he doesn't want to give me respect. Because let's say, oh, I work as I'm a mechanic or whatever, right, whatever you know job, it is Good. Now, I know Wally's a shithead, boom win. But if I express myself and I take part in what I am, in what I do and where I'm from. That will open more windows, because Wally could be a mechanic too, and then me and him, can you know, start a project together. So to be this insecure person and everyone's out here to try to get you and try to judge you people are gonna judge you need to do the right thing, you need to do you and you need to do the right thing yeah, all these things just come from a deep rooted inferiority complex.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of these issues stem from this, where they feel like they have to prove themselves because deep inside they just really don't like who they are. So then they need all these material things and the money and the women and the status and the power. But at the end of the day they'll come to the realization that even with all that, they still don't like themselves. Because these things are so temporary, they're so just, they don't bring anything. Because these things are so temporary, they're, they're so just, they don't bring anything to anyone's life. There's a there's a certain level of money you need to provide for yourself, to provide for your family, to live a relatively good life where you can enjoy your life. But all this flashy stuff and all of that, it literally does not add to people's life. So many billionaires are depressed. There's actually, after a certain point there was a study done there's a positive correlation between the amount of money you earn and how depressed you are.
Speaker 1:Um, so, yeah, the material stuff needs to go out, and that's something that andrew tate really relies on people's material instincts. That's why he buys all these fancy cars and shows them off and all these women on all these stuff. We know very, very wealthy people who are very happy with their lives, that don't do that because they don't need to do that. They don't have an inferiority complex to to make up for that thing that people say that they're compensating. It usually does work and that doesn't mean you can't own nice things. Like I'm not a communist, I don't. I don't think people. If someone wants to buy something nice and it's expensive and they truly really want it and it adds value to their life, go for it, but don't be chasing these things just because society tells you to do it.
Speaker 1:I'm waffling now, but I really think this is one of the biggest problems in society it really is.
Speaker 2:Man, don't put yourself respect on materialistic things and you know, and don't put your respect in other people's hand how much respect you show yourself based on what they seem, what they think success is. You know, and don't put your respect in other people's hand how much respect you show yourself based on what they think success is. You know there are people out there that think I'm a loser because I don't have a Bugatti. Like it's that ridiculous Instead of. I think we. You know, there's a beautiful quote by Marcus Aurelius. It's like enough discussions about what it means to be a good man. Be a good man, be a good man, and there is no better success than that. Be a good human being. Be a good human being. All these materialistic things to like mask your pain and get attention and wanting respect from everyone, so you don't open your mouth at a dinner table or at a networking event. You know you don't share what you do and where you're from. Because you know everybody try to see how much respect they should give you. Being in this bubble of like, wanting to be approved of and wanted to be looked up to by everyone. That is sad. It's sad. You just need good people around you who support you, who who actually hold you accountable right when you are breaking your principle and values. They're the first ones to call you out right and they're also there to support you and never make you feel guilty for achieving success. That's the type of people you you need to have around you, all these other people to praise you.
Speaker 2:Oh, my god, what color is you? Bigotty, you know. Oh, how many watches you have, and you know. And the second things actually get hard. They're nowhere to be seen. You don't need those people and those people need help. Honestly, it's those people who are, and I'll get it that they're getting exported by the likes of andrew tate and these other um alpha and self-help gurus. You know these, these frauds, and I feel so sorry for them, and I don't know how we can literally just take them out of this consumerist facade and this materialistic fetishism. How do we take them out of there, man? How do we do that, wally? I don't know.
Speaker 1:That's a question for people who are more knowledgeable and smarter than us to answer. We're just two 20-year-olds, bro. We don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2:It's very unfortunate. Can't believe, I can't yeah.
Speaker 1:No, but in all seriousness, these conversations and questions are very difficult. People aren't going to have the answers and people don't have the answers, but it's important to have the conversations and try and figure out where we are going wrong. It's important for us to reflect on this for ourselves as well, because it makes us think and realize how we can be better. And if anyone has any advice in the comments as well, just let us know. We like having these conversations even when people disagree with us, like Trevor and a lot of the other anti-immigration people who always come to our comments when we make a pro-immigration or who always come to our comments when we, uh, make a pro-immigration or that type of video not even pro-immigration, but anything that is anti anti-immigration. They're.
Speaker 2:They're on it, bro active I think one advice I will give is and one of the things that does help, I think, is self-reflection, like, even like, for example, the figures like andrew tate and you of the things that does help, I think, is self-reflection, like, even like, for example, the figures like Andrew Tate and you know the way they're becoming successful exploiting these young men and they see him as a role model. It makes me reflect, as a man, that where have we gone wrong as a society and what role am I playing? You know, and what? What can I learn from this whole situation? That I'm a positive role model. I think that self-reflection is extremely important.
Speaker 2:You know, a lot of people say like, oh, there's no positive role. Who's a real positive role model for men? Right then, if that's the case, let's say there is no real positive role model and Tate is there, you know, and people are just left for Tate and he's better than, let's say, the other poison on the Internet, then you know, then we must step up. We must step up and be those positive role models, instead of being like, oh, let's just wait for another savior to come in, a positive role model will come in, then my life will get better. No, become that person and you know what you need to do to become that person.
Speaker 2:We all have a deep down feeling not listening to the temptations, not not short-term thinking, being a good human being. It's like I said, like marcus harrier said, we don't need to tell you what it means to be a good human being. You know it, we all know it, we all feel it. So, yeah, that's one of the things I would say. I think self-reflection and accountability is extremely important for us to. You know, become better role models for everyone, not just for men, for women as well. You know. If we, if we want women to do better, you know, and the society in general, general, you know, we all need to step up, including women. We all need to step up. Yeah definitely.
Speaker 1:I think that's a good place to end the podcast yeah, ollie, thank you so much.
Speaker 2:It's a pleasure as always, and thank you so much for listening guys thank you.
