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Last Neanderthals Podcast
Does it really matter who wins the US election?
What happens when politics morphs into reality TV? Join us as we unravel the spectacle of the current U.S. political scene with our insightful guest, Wally Khan. We dive into the theatrical rivalry between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, exploring how their media antics mimic the strategies of savvy entertainers. As Trump sees a surge in polls fueled by perceptions of Harris's competence and authenticity, we dissect the unique challenges Harris faces, like her controversial stance on the Gaza situation. This segment navigates the broader issue of political division in America, highlighting the urgent need for leaders who can bridge gaps rather than widen them.
Switching gears to global turmoil, we shed light on the humanitarian crisis in North Gaza. With disturbing reports of human rights violations, we scrutinize the roles of Western leaders, particularly the U.S. and U.K., in these conflicts. Juxtaposing foreign engagements with domestic issues like the cost of living crisis in the UK, we question where national priorities lie. As we unravel the complex geopolitical dynamics involving Israel, Iran, and Western powers, we emphasize the critical need for accountability and responsible resource allocation.
In a world where social media shapes narratives, we explore the murky waters of censorship and the spread of atrocity propaganda. The conversation challenges the glorification of radical ideologies and the oversimplification of global conflicts, urging a more nuanced understanding of right and wrong. Our discussion culminates in a call for peace through education and dialogue, advocating for unity among diverse communities. By prioritizing societal welfare over violence, we envision a future where collaborative solutions foster a safer and more equitable global landscape.
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Welcome to the Last Neanderthals podcast. Today I'm joined by Wally Khan. How have you been, bro? I've been good, bro. How have you been? I'm good, I'm good. So what do you make of the current election fiasco? Reality TV show aka Trump versus Kamala Harris?
Speaker 2:It's quite interesting. I think they're taking similar stances currently, appealing to just like the populist vote. I think Kamala Harris is going on all the podcasts like Call Her Daddy and all these liberal ones, and what's his name?
Speaker 1:trump yeah, not boys, he's going.
Speaker 2:You know the boys theobon, he's getting all the boys, so they're both approaching it in kind of similar ways, which is interesting because, um, I think before this recent run of Harris making all these public appearances, I think she was probably the favorite to win. She's probably in the lead, but the polls now show that Trump is ahead and the polls aren't really too reliable. They're not very representative of the overall population of america. However, I think generally the the mood is shifting a bit towards trump as well, because there's this overall sense that kamala harris is a bit incompetent. From her interviews and things that people have seen, her answers are unimpressive most of the time, to be honest, and a lot of people say that people are just saying this because they're sexist or racist. They just don't like kamala harris. But I'm not gonna lie, I've seen, especially when she speaks about the gaza situation, she just waffles. It's like it's like a mumble sandwich. She doesn't really say anything of substance. She just says words but doesn't speak for the sake of speaking.
Speaker 1:That yg guy, that rapper, yeah, no, I totally agree with you. Um, she's not very articulate and, which is shocking, and you know, she's constantly stumbling more by her words, especially, like you said, with the Gaza situation, where she's pretty much on the fence. She wants to appeal to the both pro-Palestinian side and the pro-Israeli side. Yeah, she's not really on the fence she's.
Speaker 2:She's very pro-Israel, I think it's very clear, but she still tries. She's trying not to lose the Muslim or the pro-Palestinian vote, but she's failing. She's failing. Yeah, it's very clear. She's trying not to lose the Muslim or the pro-Palestinian vote, but she's failing.
Speaker 1:She's failing. Yeah, it's not working. The way she speaks it comes across as inauthentic. I don't know if it's just me. It's not her real voice. It's like you know those high class, when that rich person Does that fake laugh Trump does the same thing.
Speaker 2:They both do this. They put on these fake voices. At times Trump does it as well. He sometimes goes he was the best, like he makes his voice really weird, brings that kind of voice out. And Kamala Harris does a similar thing where she goes like more high pitched and does that laugh?
Speaker 1:and thing it's so, it's so strange man, none of you have to be you know that one, yeah, the nasally one, yeah, and I'm like no, this is this. Looks so fake. Man, just be normal human beings.
Speaker 2:You don't have to sound smart yeah, I think her voice is smart. Her voice is probably just like that anyway, but there are points where she does that like really groans it out and really like stop it, man, it is just theatrics.
Speaker 2:These are the things that you kind of get taught in in public speaking 101, but both of these guys seem to be taking it to like an extreme, which not many people say that about trump. But he does the same thing, like he also always does. I'm the best, I was the best at getting that done. I did that the best, every single time I didn't really notice it.
Speaker 1:With trump he comes across a lot more authentic and you know I'm not. I'm not a trump supporter or kamala harris supporter. I think they both. I think america's got a pick of a he's better at hiding.
Speaker 2:I think the thing is Trump's been in the public eye for so long. He was a celebrity Before he was a politician and then he's been in politics Prior to his Since 2015 I think A year before he won the election In 2016 so he's kind of had more experience, uh, being on this big stage where uh harris was the vp beforehand, but she was kind of like behind the scenes, she didn't really have as much pressure on her, and then all of a sudden, right before the election, biden drops out. So she has to really step up and maybe it's just the pressure that's getting to her because she must be competent to get to the position she's got to, um, to achieve how much she has in her career, she must be competent, she must be intelligent, but every time she speaks she seems so incompetent. So the only thing I can think is pressure or something along those lines. I don't know what trump said. No, iq.
Speaker 1:And then joe rogan said what you said, that it's a lot of pressure, like it's a lot of responsibility, and she's been literally just all of a sudden she's in the limelight, um, in the spotlight, and and yeah, that's what Joe Rogan said- when he went to Trump.
Speaker 1:He loves this word, low IQ, which I don't think you know. This division is really damaging America. This like us versus them type of civil conflict they have going on and Lex Friedman tried to somewhat push it, push Trump on it, like push Trump back on that that, but trump wasn't buying. He was like, oh, like it's, like, you know, it's like that eye for an eye approach like trump, ain't that graceful in, you know, in trying to unite the two parties, what, what american needs is someone who's going to unite two parties. Um, yeah, that's my opinion.
Speaker 1:Um, another thing that you said that was quite interesting is that, based on the policy, the democrats are also saying, like what the republicans was, are saying like, um, about the border thing, which is very interesting, like kamala harris said something about, oh, we need better border controls, and I was kind of like yo, these guys are finally catching on. Maybe this, you know, maybe maybe they're finally realizing that illegal immigration is an issue and in the past they just pretend like they just act ignorant, and I think people are. There are some issues that trump is genuinely seems to be correct about, and you know he know he is shifting the I don't know he's shifting the paradigm. I don't know if, like in the Democratic Party, where you know they're not just subscribing to an idea that oh, we're Democrats so we almost must, always must subscribe to these set of policies and these set of ideas. I think they're starting to realize, like you know, what you can't really fool people.
Speaker 2:Illegal immigration, immigration is an issue and they're finally acknowledging it yeah, to be fair, they've never like not acknowledged that, like um obama deported like famously deported loads of people. He kept kids locked up in cages and things and his thing. It's not like any of them were lenient on illegal immigration. The issue people have is the Democrats now and you see this in other left-wing parties around the world as well they're adopting this narrative of almost all immigration is bad.
Speaker 2:It's kind of what the riots were like in the UK. They used this veil of illegal immigration but then they riot over a person born in the UK who just had parents who may have been migrants, who probably were migrants, but the guy wasn't a migrant, and you had riots against illegal immigrants break out because of that. It's all very convoluted. Um, the right definitely has a problem with all immigration. If they're, if people are being honest, they don't really care about whether it's illegal or not illegal, as much as they say they do. And the problem people have with the left now as well is they seem to be just falling on their footsteps, like they keep talking about building the border wall, whereas trump was ridiculed for that for so long because it was just such a it was a ridiculous plan and he never finished it because it was such a stupid plan.
Speaker 2:And now you have tim waltz saying oh no, we're gonna build the wall like what is?
Speaker 2:going on. It's almost like a dystopian. Everyone's shifted towards the right. In the uk, our politics has shifted more right as well. K starmer, uh, relatively to. Uh, jeremy corbyn is more right leaning. He's not right wing, but he's more central, you would say, than Jeremy Corbyn, who's more left leaning, and he's now coming to power. He's the head of the Labour Party. So it seems like politics all over well in these western countries maybe shifting a little bit to the right and the Democrats have picked up on that and are changing their narrative, but then they're losing so much of the the right and the Democrats have picked up on that and are changing their narrative, but then they're losing so much of the Muslim vote and the pro-Palestine vote to people like Jill Stein from the Green Party. So I don't know if it's a smart decision. To be honest, I think.
Speaker 1:As it stands now, I think Trump is the favourite to win the failed assassination attempt on Trump also, you know that that put his uh stock through the roof. So, yeah, I I do agree that trump is a favorite, which is I don't know how concerning that is for the muslim population, especially in the uk. Because you said you know the uk is right leaning. You look at starmer, you look at reform being more popular than ever, the likes of tommy robinson, and you know so. If, if the right wing succeeds in america, trump gets elected, what does that mean for us is what I'm really curious about. Um, anything's worse I.
Speaker 2:I don't think it changes much, although I said, uh, starmer is more right-leaning than corbyn. He is a left. He is a labor prime minister, which we haven't had for over a decade now it's the first time we have and labor is a left-leaning party. Starmer is still a left-leaning candidate. I'd say he's more central left. Uh, if anything, even though people, people try and claim he's really left-wing and all this, he's not. That's just a ridiculous claim. He's just cut winter fuel payments and things, which is very controversial. He's very supportive of Israel as well, which tends to be a right-wing policy, but on other things he's still left-wing, he's still quite liberal.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I don't know how much trump winning the election affects us in the uk. Um, to be honest, I don't see what it really does, uh, to us. I'm trying to think I. The main in point of interest is what does it do for the Middle East, like what actually happens to that region? Does anything change? Will Trump be more supportive of Israel than Kamala Harris? A lot of people think yes, but I don't know what proof there is to say that he will do that, other than that he was the president who selected Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, which was very controversial because that was in his. Who did that? Trump did that in his tenure. Trump did that. Okay, yeah, but who's to say that Biden and Harris wouldn't have done that?
Speaker 2:I think what they've done is worse than what he did, which is oversee and fund a genocide.
Speaker 2:It's not comparable to what he did, which is oversee and fund a genocide. It's not comparable to what Trump did. But it's not to say again also that Trump wouldn't have done the same thing for the genocide, because we have Keir Starmer, a supposed left-wing candidate who also supports the genocide. But Jill Stein is making this really interesting because a lot of people just flat out refuse to any candidate who will support this, which I think is a reasonable position to take. I don't. I, if I was in america, I don't care about the lesser of two evils when there's a genocide going on. Imagine like someone was supporting hitler and you'd be like, oh well, it's the lesser of two evils to vote for him. No, like you should have something you stand for, you should have a red line that if people cross it, you don't give them your support, and for me this would be the red line. Kamala Harris and Trump have both crossed it. I'm not going to support either of those candidates because they're okay with so many innocent people being murdered.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a statement by the UN that I want to read out to you. Okay, so this is Joyce Misuya. I don't know if I pronounced her name correctly. She's the UN humanitarian chief, so she's saying what Israel forces are doing in besieged North Gaza cannot be allowed to continue. Hospitals have been hit and health workers have been detained. Shelters have been emptied and burned down. First responders have been prevented from rescuing people from under the rubble. Families have been separated and men and boys are being taken by the truckload. Hundreds of Palestinians have reportedly been killed. Tens of thousands have been forced to flee. Yet again, the entire population of North Gaza is at the risk of dying. Such blatant disregard for basic human rights and for the laws of war must be stopped.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and still no one will care. What a damning statement, but no one cares.
Speaker 1:No one cares. Trump, he's got this hypocrisy going on. Oh, the Ukraine war would have never happened. He's so anti-war. I don't want any of my soldiers to be, you know, abroad in a war. You know the Afghanistan situation is disgraceful, so is this. The Palestine situation is also disgraceful. You know why are you funding these warlords in Israel? It's disgracefulful. It needs to stop. So I don't know man. He's constantly like, oh, in my presidency it would have never happened, this would have never happened, this would have never happened. But if you were so great, then why did you not win the second time? And then, of course, he blames how only he was raped. So it's a really tricky one. I don't know. I don't know. America's in a cinema, it's a. It's in a serious situation, man, and they need good leadership that actually takes accountability, that actually has strategy. You know that that's that's thinking long term, because it affects the rest of the world. You know, if america doesn't have his together, then genocides get funded.
Speaker 2:That's why we care yeah and uh, interestingly as well. So israel has just fired back at iran and they say they've only targeted um military uh targets in iran. But a concern people have is israel might um target energy resources in iran, like oil or electricity or nuclear, and if they do this, iran has said that they will strike every oil refinery in the middle east, that's including in places like saudi arabia, and, and if that happens, the entire world's economy will crash instantly. Everything is going to shit. So, to be honest, america can't afford for Israel to escalate this any further. So it will be really interesting as well to see what happens on that front too. Will Israel actually do that? Because if it does, like what's going to happen?
Speaker 1:world war three because israel no one's holding them accountable. Kia starmer said that um iran shouldn't retaliate. Why don't you say Israel shouldn't instigate? Yeah, it's so, iran is so wrong to of course also send bombs, but who's instigating it? Yeah, and also.
Speaker 2:Why didn't we have the same statement when Iran fired back at Israel? Why didn't we have Keir Starmer coming out and saying Israel shouldn't fire back? Insteadmer coming out and saying Israel shouldn't fire back. Instead, he said we support Israel's right to defend themselves? It's so crazy, like why is our prime minister in the UK always, whenever something happens in Israel, going to bat for them? Straight away he's on the mic like oh, please, help israel, support israel. Why? It's so weird, like yeah like what?
Speaker 1:the uk has its own problems, man, why are you like? Like you, literally every time something happens, he's there to give a statement. You don't have to give a statement. Shut up, man. Not for real. Man, like what? What else can you tell this guy? Like, just focus on your own country.
Speaker 2:It is just really strange. It's really weird that every single time there has to be a press conference when Israel is attacked, no other nation is afforded that thing, like, for example, the Ukraine thing, when Russia keeps attacking Ukraine. We don't hear it every single time oh, ukraine must defend itself, it's. You hear it periodically, but not after every single event which you do in this, which I I find just really strange. I mean, like you said, the uk got so many problems. Cost of living crisis is still going on. Like the prices of everything are still soaring.
Speaker 2:Um, fuel prices seem to be going up again, house prices are so high no one can actually afford to buy a house and more young people are really struggling. Salaries are going up, reflective of inflation, so people are really struggling. And then our Prime Minister is every day just talking about supporting Israel and sending money to Israel billions of dollars to Israel, billions of dollars to Ukraine as well. And then you just think why. It also said that they'd support Israel no matter what. So what does that mean? That we'd go to war for Israel when we can't afford to keep the NHS going effectively. I was speaking to someone the other day and they said they have to wait over a year to get an adhd diagnosis. And we have because the nhs is struggling so much and we we have to support israel no matter what and keep funding them and all this stuff and keep funding ukraine. It just makes zero sense. And keep funding 50 billion on defense. The uk spends 50 billion a year on defense. Why?
Speaker 1:america spends uh 861 billion, that is to be fair.
Speaker 2:They're always. They're always, they're always at war with one people. They have military bases all over the world. Like, bro, can we in the uk not just relax? Like we don't need to spend that much money on defense? Bro, like we want a free health care system, we want all of these good things that the scandinavian countries have. Israel have free health care. American people get put in debt through having a baby. Childbirth puts people at debt. Getting an ambulance puts certain people at debt. Yet they're spending billions in aid I think it's over 200 billion since the inception inception of israel on aid. And israel has free health care, yeah, but but America don't. If they can afford free healthcare, why are you sending them money before getting yourself and your own citizens free healthcare?
Speaker 2:and social welfare. The disregard for American citizens because of this focus on capitalism. That, oh no, that's against capitalism.
Speaker 1:It's so crazy to me like that country is so messed up one thing that trump said about, uh, the generals in, uh, in afghanistan. So trump was very strongly, he believed I don't know if he would have done this because he was no longer in power and then the biden administration pulled out and left all the artillery, expensive planes, like very high-tech weaponry, back to the Taliban. And now, of course, you know, taliban are oppressing 4 million women and it's a disgrace. Trump calls it a disgrace, joe Rogan, americans are calling it a disgrace. Right, what they did was disgraceful. You know when they were leaving, you know the soldiers left first. Trump said the soldiers shouldn't have left first and they should have dismantled all the weapons, they should have taken them Right. And one of the generals he told them this you know that this is what we should do. You know what he said that it's cheaper to leave the weaponry behind.
Speaker 1:That's how twisted some of these generals are. These warlords are that it's cheaper? He's got no regard for the human life in Afghanistan. He does not care. You know, in funding this militia indirectly, right? Yeah, it's crazy man. It's more expensive to take the weaponry away. And Trump was like that makes no sense. We can fuel these planes, these helicopters, everything, and then literally fly them to Pakistan, a nearby country, just keep them there. But no, they left it to Afghanistan. So it almost seems like it was done on purpose and also, at the end of the day, to make more money. Yeah, the military in America has plenty of money. They get 861 billion per year. Nothing gets more of a budget than that. It's ridiculous it's weird.
Speaker 2:It was probably also a case that they just wanted, they were probably just tired, they just wanted to leave, I think. And then they come up with these other excuses that, oh, it's too expensive to get all these things out of here and all of that stuff. They probably just thought let's get the soldiers out of here, let's get ourselves out of here and, yeah, we don't care about what the repercussions of that are. Um, because people in general are greedy and then people you have to think in a job like that, they're definitely going to be very greedy. You have to be detached from humanity to do a job like that, I think to be able to just see the killing of so many people and just be okay, and to order the killing of so many people as well and be okay with it, and a lot of it was unjust killing as well.
Speaker 2:We know a lot of civilians were killed in airstrikes and just regarded as collateral damage, which I find the idea that's so annoying. Humans should never be considered. It's oh, it's just collateral damage. Oh, we killed a hundred people, a hundred thousand people. Oh, they were collateral damage. It's sad, but they were collateral damage. It's so dehumanizing, it's insane. Imagine that was your family. Someone wipes out your entire family. Oh well, it was just collateral damage, there's nothing we can do about it. My hand was forced to press the button because I mean, it's just collateral damage, there's nothing we can do. It's so crazy. You can do something. Don't strike like that. Don't do these senseless airstrikes and things like that drone attacks and israel now pretends they're the only ones being held to this standard. No, you're not. People said it in afghanistan, they said it in iraq, they said it everywhere. Don't do these senseless drone attacks that kill loads of civilians and they're doing it at a rate which we've never seen before, like in afghanistan. They were there for 20 years and how many people were killed?
Speaker 2:like no, I'm not too sure about the number less more than trillions on that wall yeah, and I'm pretty sure less people were killed in the 20 years that were killed in the one year that israel has done this attack on gaza. But israel seems to believe they're being held to an unreasonable standard.
Speaker 1:I think the Iraq war was way more horrendous, but yeah. I think Israel is probably up there the.
Speaker 2:Iraq war was also much longer, I think, the rate of killing, the rate of babies killed, children killed in this war?
Speaker 2:I don't think it's probably record-breaking yeah, apart from like singular nuclear events like Hiroshima that probably killed more people per rate per day, or whatever you want to call it but the way Israel has been going over this past year, the systematic murdering of everyone in Gaza, not just through the airstrikes but, like you said earlier, through the um? Uh, through stopping aid and stopping people getting help, water and sanitation, which, again, israel denies. But countless human rights agencies have said they're doing this. Um yeah. It's just really, then, strange to see that this is such a bipartisan issue in not only the us but the uk as well, where you have both parties. They can't agree on anything for some reason. They can agree that israel should be allowed to kill as many babies as they want, because it's their right to solve defense, to kill as many children as possible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there's some stats here by Dr Omar Suleiman. He says over 12 months Israel has killed five Palestinians every hour. Israel has killed one Palestinian child. Every hour Israel has killed one Palestinian child under five years old every three hours. That's yeah, yeah, for a whole year, yeah, yeah, for a whole year. Yeah, for a whole year. Israel has killed one palestinian child under the age of five years old. Yeah, but it's just numbers, doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 2:It doesn't mean anything to anyone. No one is going to hear that and really take that in. Maybe one or two people, but millions of people will hear that statistic and just go about their day like nothing has changed and nothing has happened. Uh, because people don't resonate with numbers. They need to hear stories, um, but the stories aren't coming out because all the journalists are being killed and no foreign journalists are being let in so it's getting censored.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a lot of shows off. I think about eight shows on netflix that are about palestine got got removed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I saw that also low-key, so I follow. I've followed low-key for ages on one of my instagram accounts, but then on my other one, I searched his name into the search bar to look at one of his posts and he just wouldn't come up. I searched the exact name and scrolled through all the accounts and it wouldn't come up. I had to go on the following of my other account, scroll through all the followers and click on his instagram account to actually be able to access it. How crazy is that? That is such a clear like obvious um shadow banning. I've never seen, experienced anything like that before on social media. Man. There's also that weird thing with that instagram account the one that I followed him on ages, where I wasn't able to send any bms to anyone for ages and maybe they're related.
Speaker 1:That's just conspiracy, conspiracy theory, I know someone who posted a story and they got like a strike um. I saw a massive dip in my followers the first time I posted on gaza instantly. I lost 40 50 followers in that day.
Speaker 2:That might have just been that might have been people who just supported israel. Yeah probably.
Speaker 1:I think most likely it was probably that. But what was also weird is that I used to average like 1k on my stories and then it just shot down to 200, 250 max. It was just maxed out at 250. My post could get a lot more like thousands of views or whatever, but my stories were limited. It was so weird because it was mainly the stories where people were posting about Gaza. Just wild, isn't it? Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's crazy. What can you?
Speaker 2:do that's the most powerful tool, though. When they control the narrative, anything is allowed to happen. If you don't have control of the narrative, then you lose in public opinion, and that's what matters most to people like. That's why they always say, as well, that whoever wins writes history, and that has happened for so long that it seems like the good guys always win. And if social media wasn't around right now, in a hundred years, maybe we'd look back on this. If israel finished all of this, killed hundreds of thousands of people, we'd still look back on it and think, oh, it's really the good guys but, we've got social media, where some of these platforms, people are breaking through and are able to report what's actually going on.
Speaker 2:Because imagine we didn't have that. Imagine all these atrocities committed over the past 76 years that Israel has occupied the Palestinian territories. Imagine what kind of horrible stuff has been going on and it's just gone unreported because we didn't have access to the type of media platforms that we do now. And there's some stuff we know about, like the, the nakba. We know about the deir yassin massacre, where there was actually a baby who's put in an oven and burnt in front of her parents, in front of their parents, um, and then what israel tried to do is sabotage all of these and say that they happened on October 7th. How disgusting is that this baby in the area of the massacre was put in the oven and then you had Israelis coming out saying that Hamas put a baby in an oven in October 7th and then later it was reported that on October 7th that never happened.
Speaker 2:I don't understand why they have this fascination, almost fantasy, with these horrific crimes being commit, committed against israeli people. It's almost like they want there to be. They want these people to have suffered tremendously and like suffered more than they did like. It's so weird to me, so depraved. You should be praying for the the tragedies and the horrific stuff to not occur. You should wish that there wasn't beheaded babies. But as soon as one person said, oh, 40 beheaded babies, every single person jumped on it like it was an amazing thing, reporting it everywhere beheaded babies, oh, beheaded babies. It came out. It wasn't true. Like why do you want something like that to happen? It's so weird. It wasn't true. Like why do you want something like that to happen?
Speaker 1:it's so weird it probably because it justifies the response, the horrible war crimes that they're committing. It's like oh, they did it to us, so you know, maybe it's partly that yeah, it definitely is that.
Speaker 2:But if you're being, if you're being generous to people and saying there's no malicious intent, you just can't. It doesn't make sense when you do that. The only reason it can be is that they just want to use atrocity propaganda or whatever it's called, where they say these atrocities happen so we can commit atrocities back.
Speaker 1:It's victimhoodhood, isn't it? He's playing the victim card.
Speaker 2:Did you see the guy who reported the babies thing? This guy came on Israeli television, gave a whole story about it, like details and everything, and it was completely fabricated. He was all about babies, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was all a lie how can you do that? He said he saw it with his own eyes it's so weird. It's another thing they wish that was true. They wish that was true. Yeah, like the fact that they want they're saying is true. Is they wish for that?
Speaker 2:yeah, and it's another thing as well. It's another thing hearing that story and then instantly jumping to believing it and saying, okay, that happened, so we must retaliate. It's so, so strange to make that up, to be the person who goes to the crime scene, doesn't see anything along those lines and just decides you know what I'm going to say. I saw 40 little innocent babies be beheaded. How messed up do you have to be in your head to even imagine that, to think of that? I don't even know, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, these people are mentally all these radical Israelis. I saw another very disturbing video. So they're like by the border of Gaza and every time they do one of those carpet bombing and that was before October 7th they start celebrating. There was a recent one, I was older. They're still there, they're celebrating.
Speaker 2:On the Golan Heights as well. They sit there, they have these camping chairs and they watch these missiles Fire down on innocent people and they celebrate.
Speaker 1:They're dancing. You know, you know those, you know. When an animal dies in the wild and then the vultures are circling, oh man, it's a horrible sight, it's disgusting. Man, you're like yo. These humans, they're not human, these guys are parasites, man. Who the fuck are these people? It's tragic.
Speaker 2:It shows how deep like the propaganda runs uh in israeli society to see how many people have been radicalized and there's no doubt that this type of radicalization is happening throughout, uh, muslim countries as well, because, like, people are definitely seeing this stuff and then attributing it to all Jewish people, which of course, is not the case. But human beings are stupid. They're just gonna relate the two things that are as closely related as they can get and then say this equals this and Israel wants them to do that. Israel keeps conflating Zionism with Judaism.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:Taliban.
Speaker 1:Taliban also want the same thing. This is very sorry to interrupt you. The whole clash of civilization thing when you pretty much like these group of people, the Muslims versus the Christians. That ideology Osama Bin Laden loved that. He was a big fan of clash of civilization. It's so interesting. I saw on the Piers Morgan thing the other day ideology that was the usan. Bin laden loved that.
Speaker 2:He was a big fan of clash of civilization and it's so interesting I saw, on the pierce morgan thing, though of the day, this uh former israeli, like idea general commander or whatever he was, was speaking to mehdi hassan, and he was saying to mehdi hassan what civilization do you represent, like? Who do you support? And all of this again making it so obvious that to them it is a class of civilizations thing. It is the west versus the rest of the uncivilized world, as they like to call it, opposed to being the past thing, the idea we all had of good versus bad. They don't care about that, it's just, yeah, our civilization said that islam has bloody borders.
Speaker 1:Like you can say that about any religion you can say that about Judaism, you can say that about Christianity.
Speaker 1:You can say that about science. Science is responsible, you could say, for the weapons it's created, but it's also. Science has made our life easier Healthcare, so everything has bloody borders. But for you to just group one set of people in, and oh, islam has bloody borders. Un. For you to just Group one people, one set of people, in, and oh, islam has bloody borders. Uncivilized world, the west Versus the Islamic countries, or the Islamic civilization. Osama Bin Laden Wanted the same thing. Taliban Want the same thing too. They want this Anti-American the west. Let's destroy them all. Let's take over. You know we are the only True religion. Everyone else take over. You know we are the only true religion. Everyone else is an infidel. That stuff is harmful, just like what the radical israelis are doing, what the zionists are doing.
Speaker 2:Man, so you're 100% right about that and everyone's being radicalized, like you now have people who are glorifying islam bin laden. Did you see that tiktok trend?
Speaker 1:yeah, oh my god, I can't believe it.
Speaker 2:I actually can't believe it this is the issue with these people who jump on these trends and they don't understand these issues fully. They like a lot of these kids who are pro-palestine and things like that. Now, a lot of these people, um, they don't understand what what these organizations are truly like, how much the harm they really cause like for us. We grew up in these situations. We saw we've spoke to palestinian people who've told us what it's really like as well in palestine. These people are just on the internet every day, looking for any validation to tell them oh yes, there's one clear good guy, one clear bad guy, which is just almost never the case. I think Israel is clearly a bad guy. The people Hamas have done a lot of bad things as well, although they're fighting against Israel. You can't just say everything that they do is good, israel. You can't just say, oh, everything that they do is good. All of their leaders are glorified and glamorized, despite the terror that they've caused and the problems they've caused.
Speaker 2:To their own people.
Speaker 2:More, so that is relevant to Hezbollah as well. Hezbollah committed such atrocities in Syria. And now people are glorifying everything that they do. Of course, you can understand if you support them in their resistance against Israel, but then to say that, oh, they were just a fantastic organization. Everything they do is great. It's so ridiculous. And this is the exact same thing that they have now glamorized osama bin laden for, because they're like, oh well, he's fighting against the west, he must have been all good, he must have been great anti-colonial and the same things happen with the taliban or the anti-colonial movement.
Speaker 1:Why have they bombed 200 schools in swat valley? Why have they blown up mosques? Why have they killed their own people? Why have they bombed 200 schools in Swat Valley? Why have they blown up mosques? Why have they killed their own people? Why have they killed the police force? What kind of anti-colonial movement makes their own people suffer? You get me and then you're going to glorify those people. They've weaponized Islam. Most Muslims are peaceful people who want to educate their kids, who want to lead a peaceful life. And yeah, just get by, man, life is already hard enough. And then you've got these radical groups, just making life worse for everyone, literally yeah, so so what?
Speaker 2:what these situations are like, how horrible it really is. They're sitting in the comforts of their homes and like glorifying people responsible for so many deaths and so many murders. You don't have to do that like in your advocacy. You don't have to do that In your advocacy. You don't need to be stupid. I don't know. People are just. I think people are just lazy mentally. They just want to see the world in black and white and it's just not like that for the most part.
Speaker 1:They like drama as well, man, they love conflict. They want to be yeah, as long as it's not on their doorstep, as long as it's not on their doorstep exactly. And they're so disconnected that, at the end of the day, radical beliefs. People are genuinely suffering from that. Yeah, because that's how. When you brainwash the population, when you start glorifying one side oh this is all good, you know, israel has the right to defend itself, no matter what then they're killing a child every hour, and then the world is okay with it. No one's holding the government accountable, and even when they do, nothing much has been done.
Speaker 2:because it's madness, man, crazy another thing that reminds me of remember when the pro-Israeli people were sticking up the posters of the hostages and instead of pro-Palestinian people putting in some effort and putting up posters of, maybe, palestinian prisoners or Palestinian kids who were killed, they were just ripping down the Israeli ones, which achieves nothing, absolutely nothing. It just emboldens the other side to be like oh, they don't even want our innocent hostages to be returned again. These kind of like performative things, where you don't think about it and you just do, are not very helpful, because it then paints everyone in that brush of stupid and radicalized, whereas most people who support these causes are not like that.
Speaker 1:Most people know right from wrong yeah, people who are not radicalized, they want peace on both sides, they want, they want, want the killing of innocent people to stop. And when these people, when let's say, you know the Israelis that are speaking for the hostages that have been taken, sorry, the people who have been held hostage if they're speaking against that, they're right in speaking against that, but then if you go against that, then you're literally playing to those Netanyahu's hands because they're like oh look, they're against you.
Speaker 1:They don't want you to have your hostages back, so you're getting played, man.
Speaker 2:Then the Netanyahu's and the Piers Morgan's of the world can just say that everyone who's pro-palestinian is is radicalized and they hate all innocent israelis. They're anti-semitic. Uh, because it is literally. There's no utility. There's. It doesn't help palestinian people at all. If you're ripping down posters of israeli hostages, uh, it would be so much more powerful to put up posters of your own. But they're lazy in their activism, like why? What other reason is there than laziness? They just want the easy thing that they can shout about and scream about. Just put a bit more effort in.
Speaker 2:And there are, of course, loads of people who are putting a lot of effort in to support the causes, people going on the marches and everything regularly hosting the marches. But these people who are emboldening the, the ideas that everyone who supports pro-palestine, whose pro-palestine is anti-semitic, are a huge problem. Because, bro, that's all these people have had for so long to discredit the movement is that it's just anti-Semitic, when that's just not the case. And these people do nothing to help. Because there's people out there, like Loki and others, who have been pro-Palestinian for decades and their work is discounted by these idiots who are anti-Semitic and who go out there screaming abuse of random Jewish people on the street and things like that, and then the whole movement gets labeled as anti-Semitic because of them and everything that we say gets discredited. Then the Kamala Harrisism stuff can also just pretend it's just anti-Semitism and all of this. It's ridiculous. But yeah, I think after all that waffle we should just close it out. Do you have anything else to add?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Did you see? Trump brought out some Muslims at one of his rallies that were supportive of Trump. He knows what's going on, man Kamala. Harris is proper slacking. She's fumbling the bag. He knows she's fumbling the Muslim bag as well. He's capitalising, if you notice. He avoids talking about the Israel thing as much as possible as well, because he's clearly supportive of Israel, but he also knows that it's very controversial at the moment, so he's avoiding it.
Speaker 1:I'm yet to finish the Joe Rogan podcast, half an hour left and 40 minutes left and I wonder if he, you know, condemns Israel for their war crimes and what are his future plans? Like, okay, yeah, you saw against, saw against Ukraine and Afghanistan. How disgraceful that was. But let's see when he wins, right, I mean, nothing much will happen Because the deep state and the military Are going to continue to run the country, and I mean presidents have a lot of power. I'm not even undermining Trump's power. If he wants to change things, he can. American presidents do have that power. It's not like Pakistan. They can actually do that. Is he going to do that? Probably not, because it all comes down to power and money.
Speaker 2:I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 1:We'll have to wait and see. I think the people who can make the biggest difference is the normal people. The normal people, the average people, the population of that country. They need to be educated. One needs to get through to them.
Speaker 1:Not the radical people, right, the moderate voices, the one that can see the nuance in this world, the ones that are peaceful. They're not going to cancel you, they're going to literally listen to you. They're gonna help you through and you know not, not, not, not, if you're wrong about your beliefs, they will not demonize you right away, but they will sit down with you and tell you like you know what, what's what? Basically, um, yeah, I think that's the approach, man, as much as you know these, some of these people are out here that are evil and radicalized in order to win them over.
Speaker 1:You can't demonize them, even though they are fucking behaving like demons, because they're justifying demonic, fucking genocides. It's very demonic, but one has to realize that they're born in a context where they've been radicalized and brainwashed from a very young age and killing them is not the solution, because clearly, killing doesn't work. It just leads to more killing and more wars. So there needs to be this effort in basically de-radicalizing people, whether they're Muslims, whether they're Zionists and Jewish people who have been radicalized, whether they're Christians, whether they're Zionists and Jewish people who have been radicalized, whether they're Christians in America that have been radicalized. Man, there needs to be a better education system that fights against radicalization. It's so important, man.
Speaker 1:It's so important Because when you say oh, this group is bad and it's always going to be evil. We can't reason with the zionist. The only way to deal with them is to kill them. All you know what? Where does that lead us?
Speaker 1:that that's not going to work, man yeah, just like our reality working about oh we're going to go and kill more all the hamas and, you know, bring peace to palestine and israel. No, you're just creating more hamas Because you're killing innocent people and then they have nowhere to go. But then to join these terrorist groups Because they have anger in their heart or they get radicalized because they don't have these kids, these little kids don't have parents anymore. They get taken by the terrorist organizations. They get brainwashed from young age. So you know it's very difficult.
Speaker 1:A lot of people would be like, would disagree with me, that oh, why would you ever like? Why would you ever like reason with a Zionist? Or why would you ever reason with a Taliban or these radical groups? But if you don't communicate with them, they're just going to get more radicalized. You have to educate them in one shape or some shape or form. You have to communicate with them in some shape or form. You have to establish some kind of diplomatic relationship In some shape or form, because otherwise it's fucking wars. You might as well just call it quits and just drop a nuclear bomb on the entire earth and just get done and over with it, because otherwise it's not going to end. The killing is never going to end. I don't know if I'm being a bit extreme, but yeah.
Speaker 2:We need to establish Somehow that our reality reality cannot just be that violence will always prevail and the side that can commit more violence and destruction will be the victor. And not only will it be the victor, it will always somehow end up being the good guy. The most destructive guys in history have always been labeled as a good guys, and that just doesn't seem to work anymore. The narrative is shifting and it needs to shift. We need to work towards peaceful resolution because we have the capability to do so now. The world is so interconnected, everything is so globalized whether the nationalists like it or not that we can work on peaceful resolutions, and the people who don't support that idea need to do a bit of self-reflection. If you are a proponent of violence, you cannot claim to be a good person, it's just. I think those things are very counterintuitive to pretend you have the moral high ground and then also to suggest that violence is the way forward.
Speaker 1:Let's say America spends, like I said, more than $800 billion $900 billion, something like that on their military every year. Say, one-eighth of that 100 billion towards basically de-radicalization, educating people, you know, uh, getting rid of this generalization, this class of civilization, and you know the, the people who've been radicalized in israel or you know that have been radicalized in the muslim world, genuinely helping them and funding the countries to actually, you know, working with the people on the ground, using the 100 billion. Don't you think that makes the world a safer place? Yeah, you can still put your money Into the weaponry, which I don't think you should.
Speaker 1:I think you should focus on having a free health, free healthcare. You should have a way better education system. You should have better food, because America has a very horrible food situation. In LA you can't get clean food, clean water, the homeless problem I mean, america has so many problems when that money can go. But why not put like 100 billion towards de-residualization and actually working, not like giving a lot of money to Taliban, like they are, or humanitarian aid, aid for this, aid for that, and then they're further using it to gain more control and power genuinely helping people on the ground who are going to do something useful with that money. I think a lot can come out of that. But you know, are they going to do that?
Speaker 2:Probably not yeah, it's just whether they actually want to make the world a safer place or not, which is yeah, because if they, make a safer place.
Speaker 1:Who's going to buy their guns? How? Exactly how are they going to get to use the technology? How are they going to impose power on the world right?
Speaker 2:exactly, and also, did you see that thing a of years ago, the UN said $40 billion, I think it was, would end world hunger, which was a disputed figure. So maybe if they took that one-eighth they could possibly solve world hunger yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean let's make it $200 billion World hunger. You take that away, man. Definitely, surely, right, yeah, if they've got the money for it, they don't need to spend that much on their military. I highly recommend everyone watch the new video by Johnny Harris. It's about the US military budget. It is ridiculous, man. They're just splashing money on useless shit where, if it was spent elsewhere, not only will it make America better, but it will make the rest of the world better.
Speaker 2:Make the world great again.
Speaker 1:Make the world the world was. I can't lie, the world was a horrid place back in the days. But To make the future better, honestly Insha'Allah. To speak their lingo. Let's make the world great again.
Speaker 2:Alright, thank you for listening.
Speaker 1:Everyone, thanks for your input. Thank you. I will have to review it to not get cancelled or get called anti-semitic because I'm not anti-semitic, just to put it out there and all my fucking taliban sympathizers. I just want peace.
Speaker 2:I don't want problems, I want peace shout out to all the jewish people out there, like we always say yeah, that, shout out to everyone. Shout out to everyone, you bad people that want people to be killed.
Speaker 1:No, shout out to you do they not think about like oh, if they were on the receiving end, they would hate it?
Speaker 2:probably it's literally, like it's that simple, like we don't want people to get killed, whether they're jewish, muslim, christian, arab, south asian, east asian, african, mexican. Don't kill people. Christian, arab, south Asian, east Asian, african, mexican. Don't kill people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't kill people Anyone.
Speaker 2:I don't have nothing.
Speaker 1:It's a coping mechanism.
Speaker 2:That's our morality where it goes. What is the opposite to that? What contention do people have with that? I don't understand, I don't know. Anyway.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway, thanks for listening. It's like telling the world 2 plus 2 is 4, man, or 1 plus 1 is 2, to make it more simpler.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:How Yo can we not agree? Oh, like 1 plus 1 is 2, you know Fucking hell man. Anyways, bro, have a good day man. You too, take care.
