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Kamala’s Missed Opportunities: Why Trump Won the Election
How did Donald Trump manage to outmaneuver Kamala Harris in the 2024 U.S. election, marking a stunning shift in political dynamics? We unravel this perplexing outcome and explore the ramifications of the Democrats' strategic blunders. From Kamala Harris's missed opportunities for meaningful public engagement on platforms like Joe Rogan's podcast to the broader issue of alienating key demographics, we dissect the consequences of political missteps. The journey takes us through the perplexing landscape of political discourse, where figures like Joe Rogan become flashpoints in the debate over openness and dialogue within the left-leaning circles.
Join us as we navigate the intricate web of political alignment, societal discourse, and the unexpected twists in the realm of influencer culture. The landscape is riddled with challenging topics like the impact of the Palestine-Israel issue on voter perceptions and the economic fallout of Trump's tariffs. We cast a critical eye on how Democratic leaders, including Kamala Harris, have addressed—or failed to address—the nuanced concerns of diverse communities. This episode questions the broader implications of misguided strategies and highlights the unintended empowerment of controversial figures like Andrew Tate and Tommy Robinson, while reflecting on the irony of American feminism compared to leadership in Muslim countries.
As we conclude, we shift to the world of sports and influencer controversies, spotlighting the much-talked-about boxing match between Mike Tyson and Jake Paul. The fight wasn't just about two different eras clashing but also about the provocative spectacle of celebrity personas in the ring. We dive into the conspiracy theories and the broader implications of public perception surrounding figures like Mr. Beast, who once seemed untouchable. This episode is a timely reflection on how the intersection of politics and popular culture shapes the narratives we live by and challenges us to rethink the standards of discourse, influence, and credibility.
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Welcome to the Last Neanderthals podcast. So Wally and I predicted that Donald Trump will win, and he's done it with ease. Actually, what did you make of the election?
Speaker 2:It was interesting. Like you said, we did think that Donald Trump would win, which, to many people, they just couldn't even conceive the possibility of that happening. But, yeah, I feel like you could see there was something shifting towards the right. People seemed a bit fed up of, uh, the democrats and kamala harris's uh just tone towards most things. It was so like condescending a lot of the time and it was so. It was just pushing people away, um, which is crazy.
Speaker 2:When you're pushing people towards someone like donald trump, you know you must be doing something ridiculously wrong, because the guy is just, uh, he's an absolute nutcase with the things he says. He says some crazy things. Even a week before, a week before the election, he had the comedian on who's making fun of perth, perth reitens, um, but I think because the democrats were so like self-righteous and everything they said and like everything that they stand for is so right and like if anyone can even maybe think in the other direction, they're a bad person, and like, I don't know, it's just ridiculous. They have this mindset that they are so right and if anyone deviates from what they think, they must be a bad person, and there can't be enough people who think that way. So they just thought, yeah, we're going to win the election because we're right, and I feel like this is also why they didn't pay enough attention to the Gaza thing, because they were like, oh well, we're going to win the election anyway, even if we lose a few voters because of that, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2:In the end, kamala Harris had 10 million fewer votes than Joe Biden did in 2020. So the Democrats lost 10 million votes. 10 million Democratic voters did not turn up. Trump had about the same amount of votes he did in this election compared to the last one, so it's not even like he gained much ground. It's just that they lost so much ground. What did you make of the election?
Speaker 1:I feel like I agree with you, the Democrats. They were lying a lot. They were comparing Trump to Hitler and I feel like the things, the horrible things that the Democrats accuse Republicans of, they were doing it themselves and I think the strategy for the Democrats was very poor. Like if Joe Rogan invites you on the podcast and he tells you that we need to have a three-hour unfiltered conversation, we will talk about whatever you want to talk about, but you're trying to control it. You're like, oh, now come to my studio and we'll do it one hour. And Joe Rogan was like I'm not doing any of that.
Speaker 1:I feel like, because Joe Rogan has such a strong platform where you know, you get to know people, you get to know him as well because, like, people have built a relationship with him when strong figures like that on the side of not necessarily Trump, but like you know they're not they. He tried to have Kamala on and she basically refused. I think that also massively damaged her reputation and the leverage she would have gained. I think it would have done her a lot of good if she had gone on the podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that comes from that arrogance again that oh, we're too good for this and it doesn't really matter. And in the left-wing circles, joe Rogan is portrayed as this really right-wing guy. But a lot of people in the center like Joe Rogan. A lot of even left-leaning people really like Joe Rogan. They watch his podcast and they see him as this centrist figure. So if you're alienating him, like in our lectures, I see anytime joe rogan's brought up people like uh, sigh and like complain and all of this. But not too long ago he was endorsing bernie sanders. He was saying he wished bernie Bernie Sanders was the leader of the Democratic Party, who is more left-wing than both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. So this is not really a guy that you can say, oh, it's just a right-wing guy, right-wing extremist, even though recently he has been going. It seems like he is leaning into that. Of course he endorsed Trump in this and some people are saying that's just because Kamala Harris was so bad. But I think he is going a bit more towards the right with some of the things he says and the rhetoric he has. He was not like this.
Speaker 2:I think people need to realize, especially on the left, that you are not just this person who's figured everything out, and if people have disagreed disagreements with you on certain issues or topics that they're just a bad person and their opinion doesn't matter because this is such a big thing on the left where they say, oh, your opinion on this topic doesn't matter because you're not this, or your opinion on that topic doesn't matter because you're not this, or you don't matter because you're a white man, like it's. So it's so stupid. Just have conversations. It's not that difficult.
Speaker 2:You know, if you believe you are right, it doesn't do you any harm to have the conversation and prove to that other person you're right, prove to yourself you're right and prove to anyone who might be listening that you're right as well. If your views are actually superior, they're more accurate, they're more rational, then you would not have any problem discussing them with other people. But I feel like, because they put themselves in these boxes based on their friends and I don't know whatever youtube viewers they might watch, whoever they might look up to, they haven't actually thought through their ideas very much and then, when they get confronted with why they think a certain way, they can't answer. So what they say is just oh, you can't have an opinion on that. I don't want to talk to you about that. It's such a like a lazy way to be an activist or promote what you think I think it's a sick quote.
Speaker 1:It says that if you can't explain your ideas or your beliefs, then they're not your beliefs, they're someone else's. That is a sick quote. Yeah, it totally makes sense. And I feel like the Democrats also underestimated the independent media. They thought the CNN and all the mainstream media was on Kamala Harris' side pretty much, but man, they're losing power. They had this monopoly where I mean, I mean, yeah, trump isn't the best human being, but like to call him hitler was such a ridiculous statement. And people see through that. People see through the bullshit and um, yeah, I think, um, it wasn't that trump was a great candidate, that that he won. I think it's because the Democrats were so bad. Yeah, I agree, that's why they lost.
Speaker 1:And you also mentioned about how these left-leaning students they put like Joe Rogan in this, like whenever someone speaks of Joe Rogan, oh, he's conservative, he's right-wing, and they basically cancel him. That's so harmful and dangerous because it's number one. You're boxing a guy in who actually has been A democrat most of his life. He's been left leaning Most of his side. But if you, like you said, if you can't listen to him, why would? Why would people want to vote For your people If you guys are not even Willing to listen To anyone, that's a big problem and that's how Men end up feeling disfranchised, and that's why likes of andrew tate and tommy robinson and all these toxic figures they, they, they prop up, is because they they are not heard, but then the wrong people get into the power and then they get gain a lot of power, uh, through that way. So I feel like the democrats have a lot to learn and they need to realize that you know what like this is their own doing.
Speaker 2:They should take accountability yeah, exactly, they need to take accountability and it seems like they're doing the complete opposite. It seems like these circles are now trying to find scapegoats, and there's actually some of the stuff I've seen is just so disgusting. Like you see so many of these liberals now, so many people on the left saying, oh, I can't wait for trump to turn gaza into a parking lot, like, oh, this is what you get, and things like this. And saying that they're going to deport their mexican neighbors because the mexican vote, uh towards trump increased um. And also saying like, oh, you guys really thought that Muslims or Arabs would vote for a woman to be the president, but they voted for Ilhan Omar and Rashida Khlaib. And also, muslim countries have had more female leaders by far than America has. America has zero. Even Pakistan, our country, has had a Muslim prime minister, so, so you can't just say, oh, muslim people are misogynists and we in America are so great this narrative that they always portray that, oh, we are the feminists and everyone else in the world just hates women. It's ridiculous. Stop finding people to blame and look inward. White people are their biggest voter base and they keep driving white people away, especially white men, and saying white men are responsible for all evil in the world. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2:You can have these conversations about race and have these conversations about privilege certain groups might be more privileged than others. Have the conversations. Don't just leave one race out of it if they don't agree with you. It's just, I don't know. It's so stupid. Imagine you're a really poor white man living in a really poor city and people are now telling you you're so privileged just because you're white. Imagine you're like living paycheck to paycheck, you're struggling, you can barely afford to pay your kids and, um, people are telling you oh, everything is wrong in the country is because of you and you need to make space for other people and all of this and all of that. Of course, you're going to go towards the other guy who's saying, nah, mate, it's not your fault and, by the way, I'm going to make the economy better, so, uh, you have more opportunities. All of this instead of like just branding you as evil. It's so stupid.
Speaker 2:I think what these people thought is because trump's policies and stuff are some of them are so silly, like the tariffs thing, that we can just win easily, and trump is a racist and all of this stuff. But no people like care about how you make them feel, and Trump makes a lot of these young white men feel heard and valued, whereas the other side does not. Um, and they are white men are the biggest voter base, um, just because it's a white country, so why would you drive them? It's just so silly. I don't even know, uh, like, what other way you can put this. And the racism that you now see coming out towards mexicans, arabs, muslims is, I can't, I think, kind of indicative of like how that society and the left really feels about ethnic minorities. It's like you have to be the good ethnic minority that goes into the perfectly fit box that they want you to be in, and if not, their racism comes out and then you're not useful to them. They only care when you're useful to them and you align with their worldview.
Speaker 1:If not, then they start doing their crazy stuff and I feel like another thing that's going to happen when trump does want to bring in good policies that are good for the country and good for americans, they will try to sabotage it and I think vice versa.
Speaker 2:Yeah, everyone does that in politics.
Speaker 1:That's just the problem with politics in general yeah, and I think that's something that you know. It's going to be a vicious cycle, um, but do you see? Do you see democrats making a comeback for the next election or no? Do you think that this is going to be?
Speaker 2:it depends. It's a long time away. A lot can change in four years. They can definitely make a comeback.
Speaker 2:Uh, it will also depend on how well trump and just the republican party does regarding the economy. His policies and stuff are just quite silly at the moment, but we will see how well he does. If he does well, then there's definitely a chance. But the thing is like people aren't really voting for the republican party. I think they're voting for Trump and people aren't really voting and people are kind of like you said. People are kind of voting against the Democrats. So it also depends on who the next leader is going to be, because Trump makes these people come out and vote just because of the character that he has.
Speaker 2:I don't know if another person can do that. I don't know because it's the end of his term, unless he tries to stage a coup or something, which they're saying that, oh, he's probably going to do whatever. I don't know if any of that stuff is going to happen, but if it does, then you'll see. I think the main issue here is that the people try to underestimate how much people care about issues like gaza and palestine. Um, and you see, they lost 10 million voters. That doesn't just happen for no reason and they're saying, oh, there's only this many arabs, so it can't have been because of that. But it's not just arabs who are pro-palestine. There's loads of people all over the country with all different ethnicities and stuff, and it's not like they think trump is going to be better for palestine, which I mean some people will think he is, and actually he framed as well but the thing is he framed himself as the pro-peace candidate, the anti-war candidate.
Speaker 2:He spoke to Muslim leaders. He brought those Muslim imams out at his rally. The other party didn't do any of that. The whole time Kamala Harris was asked about Israel-Palestine, she would always frame it as oh, but we have to remember, israel has a right to defend itself. A year on, it's the same oh, remember, israel has a right to defend itself. A year on saying, oh, israel has a right to defend itself. Never once. Starting with being empathetic and framing it as empathy towards Palestinians, always, we have to remember what happened on October 7th. So it just leaves a really sour taste in people's mouths. And then the other guy brings Muslim imams out and things like this.
Speaker 2:People will think, oh, maybe he is going to be better. He always has, for the past few years, positioned himself as the anti-war guy as well. So some people will think that, but for most people it is just that I'm not going to actively support someone who is enabling what they believe to be a genocide. Because why would you, if you have principles, if you have morals, if you truly believe that this person is enabling something as horrific as a genocide, why would you vote for that person. If you do that, you have no principles or morals, just because you think they might be better. On domestic policy, like I'm not gonna lie, I don't care if my bread's two pounds more expensive. If it comes at the cost of killing little kids, that's quite a selfish mindset in my opinion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now you said it perfectly. I was going to add something, but yeah, one interesting thing you mentioned is a lot of people believe that Trump is anti-war and he's been very smart with it. So the pro-Israel stance that his party is taking all the other people have done the dirty work for him. Did you see that, giuliani guy?
Speaker 2:Rudy Giuliani, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that Giuliani guy and how he was saying that these two-year-olds are basically your future Hamas. Disgusting man. It's saying that you know these two-year-olds are basically your future hamas. And yeah, disgusting man, it's again. People don't do research. And the thing is, trump had a clever strategy because and I wonder, I wonder if, if trump did take a pro-palestinian stance, if he had, like you said, he he got the same vote as last time. If he had, if he would have gained even more if he had. In that sense, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know how it would go. To be honest, I think, like you said, he played it as well as he could. He won a massive majority. So, like you said earlier, the Democrats might try and sabotage some good things that he tries to do. It's going to be difficult for them to do that because he won such a big majority. So I think he played it really well. He barely spoke on the issue.
Speaker 2:Um, so, even though he is very pro israel, he was the guy who moved the embassy to jerusalem, the american embassy to israel, to jerusalem, which is, like it's, a very inflammatory thing to do. He's just been pro-Israel his whole career. Despite that, he was able to, through being quiet most of the time and through meeting with these Muslim figures pictured with Khabib as well, and all of these people, he tried to position himself as no, I'm going to get to peace, and all of these people he was. He tried to position himself as no, I'm gonna get to peace and all of this, whereas the other guys constantly telling you it's all israel, the victims and all of this. So I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think he was really clever, like you said, and also like the way he tapped into the younger generation. I know kamala started doing it. She went on a podcast like uh later on, but aiden ross and all these small podcasts and he was doing this for like a couple years ago. Man with no reason, man, this man is hard working. There's one thing you gotta admire trump for his work ethic is insane. At his age, apparently, he did like 900 rallies in one year, which is which is hard to believe?
Speaker 2:probably Probably not.
Speaker 1:Probably not right, Because that means like it's three every day. But he has outdone the Democrats when it comes to rallies, everything, Literally everything. I've seen him on the weirdest the whole McDonald's things he did. It's all about narratives. Yeah, he's everywhere.
Speaker 2:He's in the UFC fight Anytime. Kamala Harrisris messed up. He was taking advantage of it. Like you said, the mcdonald's thing. He put on the like um bin bin man outfit because she made fun of like bin men or something along those lines. Like every time she did something wrong, he picked up on it. She ignored the muslim community. He brought out imams at his rally even though this guy said it's the world has an islam problem and he said all these things. He put the muslim ban in place. He's done all these things and yet she came off more islamphobic than him. Like how do you mess up that badly?
Speaker 1:yeah, but trump man, he, he's a genius at what he does. He's really good at what he does. Um, yeah his.
Speaker 2:His campaign was definitely a lot more effective. They, the democrats, had a billion, a billion dollars to put towards their campaign. Where did that money go? What did they do with it? The people they selected as well, they brought out, like cardi b and beyonce and taylor swift. All these people have fan bases that are already very left leading. Bringing them out, what does that do you get more young women to vote? Young men, women already come out to vote, uh, in very large numbers and they vote for you anyway. Trump brought out, trump aligned himself with Joe Rogan, who people on both sides of the aisle, like Dr Phil, just some TV guy who people don't even know his political affiliations, elon.
Speaker 1:Musk Democrats. Three years ago he said Elon Musk.
Speaker 2:I mean, elon Musk is. I really don't like him. I think he's a very nefarious figure. He has very negative intentions, all of that stuff. But you can't disagree that people on both sides of the aisle like him, especially around the centre. Maybe the really left-leaning people don't like him, but around the centre-left and all that-leaning people don't like him. But around the center, left and all that, there's definitely people that like Elon Musk. So he affiliated himself with Hulk Hogan, the WWE guy. Imagine how many people watch WWE. They say Hulk Hogan endorsing Donald Trump, they're going to like him, whereas he just had the same people who people would know would be left-leaning anyway, come out and endorse him. It's just, I don't know who ran that campaign, completely ignoring the Muslim vote and all of that as well. I don't know, man.
Speaker 1:It was really silly, yeah, and the double standard as well. It's just like it was a shit sandwich. Say a nice thing and then fucking, then put like a sour thing, like, okay, you, you know we need to cease fire and thingy in palestine, but when you ask them about, like your, the israeli army is not stopping the damage, um, they're still killing young kids, oh, but they have the right to defend themselves. They're literally in another country killing people. Yeah, sandwich man, it's just ducks, like. It's like you know how you give a compliment to someone. They're literally in another country killing people. Yeah, sandwich man, that's what I'm going with. It's just that's like. It's like you know how you give a compliment to someone. Then you give a constructive criticism, then you give a compliment. That technique, yeah, that's what.
Speaker 1:Democrats did with their people. It's like say something nice, but in action do the horrible thing, and then they say something nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And people aren't stupid, they clock onto it. They clock onto it, man, you. They were just like the actions did not align with what they said.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she also, she also affiliated herself with liz cheney, who is very pro-war, and trump took advantage of that. He called her muslim hating liz cheney. This is how much trump was trying to appeal to the muslim and pro-palestine vote. He said oh, kamala's trying to get the muslim vote. So she aligns herself with muslim hating liz cheney. Liz cheney's dad was like instrumental in convincing people to go into iraq and all of this.
Speaker 2:So I mean, he picked up on it. So smart. But how could they be so stupid? Like, what votes is liz cheney gonna gain? Who cares about liz cheney? For you to be aligning yourself with her?
Speaker 2:Then bill clinton came out and said some unhinged things as well, saying god promised israeli people, uh, judea and samaria. And that judaism was there before islam, so it means israel has a right to exist. Like, bro, those kind of talking points are like straight out of just extreme zionism. That's not even like a rational talking point. It's just saying their religion was there first, so you can ethnically cleanse these people off. Islam, bro, what?
Speaker 2:What made you think this was a good idea? Like what was the democratic machine thinking? They can't be this out of touch, like this stupid? And they were bragging bragging about raising a billion dollars. Who cares about a billion dollars if you lose the election? What? What do you want? Like, is it to? Is the contest to raise the most amount of money for your campaign or is the contest to actually win the election? It's, and it looks like they were just trying to raise the most amount of money for your campaign or is the contest to actually win the election. It's, and it looks like they were just trying to raise the most amount of money, because we know that the zionist lobby has a lot of funding to go around. That's just an objective fact. So it looks like that's why they were appealing to these people so much, these zionists like liz cheney and things like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wonder how the election, now that Trump is in charge, how this will shape our global politics. I don't understand the tariff thing that Trump was talking about, but the economy, after he won, everything spiked and that just goes to show that most of it is psychological. These are just social constructs and, uh, you know, a guy like trump comes, everyone thinks like it's, it's all psychological. It's crazy, isn't it?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, all all the, all the stocks and everything went up. But the tariff things for america is just a silly idea, because basically a tariff is a tax that you put on anything that is imported into your country and the tariffs are usually, uh, taken like the cost of the tariffs. The burden is put on the consumer, because it's not like if you put a tariff on china, the chinese company doesn't pay that tariff. The tariff is put onto the whoever imports that thing into the US, for example, and then that company who imports it will then increase their prices on whatever they're selling. So then the consumer pays the extra price and the idea is that this will mean that you can buy domestically made goods at cheaper prices or something, and then people will just buy more domestic goods and the price of those will increase whatever.
Speaker 2:But the issue is because of supply and demand. The demand for domestic goods does go up, but so does the price. Those things get more expensive. It's not like things go down. So then you have these companies again making more profit. The lower class people they're just finished, they don't benefit. The idea he has is this will bring these companies over to the us to manufacture in the us create more jobs, for example. However, the last time this happened it cost like $80,000 or more per job created, which is a very inefficient job making scheme. If it costs you $80,000 per every single job you create, you're doing something very wrong, and in every case these tariffs have been put on, it doesn't lead to good outcomes because you get into tariff wars. Then countries will put tariffs on your products as well. If I put a tax on things coming into my country made from your country, you're going to do the same. You're not just going to let me get away with it and then everything just gets expensive for everyone.
Speaker 2:The person who just has to buy groceries struggles even more because he has to pay more for his groceries and things like that. And the job creation thing is silly as well. America's only got five percent uh unemployment. It's not even like they've got a really high unemployment rate, so it's not like they need to create loads more jobs.
Speaker 1:It's just a very like economically illiterate position to take so I remember there's one video where trump is criticizing the democrats for increasing tax and he's like you know what? Why are we increasing tax? Because we want the rich businessmen and the rich people to just stay in in the country. We shouldn't increase tax. And that was you know what. It kind of made sense. Okay, of course you want to keep your economy strong, but he's so business driven that this tariff thing again, like you said, it will further mess up the working class people which he's made many promises to, and it will again benefit the businesses. And corporate America is already controlling not just the politics of the country but pretty much everything, like the Apple. I mean we saw with Elon how much influence he has had on the politics and I think when corporations, if they get too powerful, if they get way too much money, then it's going to lead to some kind of technocracy that whoever aligns themselves with the technology companies will then win the elections, rather than people with the best policies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it won't even necessarily benefit them all too much because of how much it creates to make those new jobs and because they'll have to shift their manufacturing and everything over. It's just a bit of a lose-lose in most situations. The thing with it is, with the tariff, it's quite a intuitive way to think about the economy, like when I was younger I used to think the same thing, like let's just make every single thing in our own country and people just buy our products and all of this and all.
Speaker 2:it seems like common sense, like yes, that is what we should do, but it's not the most efficient way to go about your ipod. Your device is making a weird noise again.
Speaker 2:I'll meet myself okay, yeah, nice, um, so yeah. The other thing with this is when you, when you put these tariffs on and when you want to create everything yourself, it's not the most efficient way to do things because, let's say, in the same period of time, I can make, my country can make like five planes, or 10 planes and 100 cars, and another country can make five planes and 200 cars. Rather than us both just making our things and they make their things, we should specialize in what we're good at. So I'm good at making planes, they're good at making cars, I can make, specialize in that and focus on that. They can specialize on the cars and then we can trade and everyone benefits, rather than me trying to do every single thing and then everything becomes inefficient because for every car I make, I'm missing out on like so many planes I could make.
Speaker 2:So it's not that like, oh, you can make these and you can make these and like, if we don't make this and you can make these, and like, if we don't make this, then we might lose this much money.
Speaker 2:You can think of it in the fact, as you can think of the opportunity cost, as in these other products or services, that you could be delivering things that you're better at doing. Maybe your country has more scientists and another country has more farmers, so you has more farmers, so you focus more on technology while as the other country focuses more on agriculture, and then you can come together and trade and everyone benefits, rather than everyone progressing slowly because you've got your scientists out in the farms like raking the fields and they've got their farmers with like goggles on trying to do experiments and no one's getting anywhere on both things. You specialize, they specialize. You come together to trade and that's been like quite a cornerstone of world trade and economics for a long time, whereas Trump just thinks, no, we want every single thing to be made in America and done in America, and again, it's just not economically very sound 100.
Speaker 1:I'm reading this book called sapiens, and he spoke about how unity humans became a lot more united when the trade started, when the economic, when we had the common belief that the money means something and then we could trade that.
Speaker 1:And when you have countries, even if countries were at war war like the questions against the muslims back in the days they still use each other's currency and there was that dependency. And over the time, the world has been shifting towards becoming more united and I feel like to become totally independent. Number one is unrealistic, inefficient, but I think it's, um, it's, but I think it's not productive. It's not productive for America, but I think what they're looking at is they're in competition with China and I think they're getting the. I guess they wanted a globalized economy, but now that they're losing the race of being the superpower potentially to China, I think that's why they want to become a lot more nationalist and make their products in their own country. So, again, greed is, uh, the root of all evil and I feel like it's um this, this idea that everything needs to be made in america.
Speaker 2:I think it stems from greed fundamentally yeah, definitely, and of course, every country will want to do what's best for their own country. But again, this is just like a very it shows a very basic understanding of economics. And Trump, he might be a good businessman he could be very good at doing business but that doesn't mean he's a good economist and he doesn't. He knows how to run an entire economy, because it's not the same thing as running a business. But, to his credit, last time, before COVID, he did actually do very well in terms of the economy. He got inflation down really low, but so did Joe Biden, in Joe Biden's term as well. He got inflation down really low, unemployment down really low. So it's not like Trump's this, like mastermind who's going to fix everything. Joe Biden was doing a really good job as well.
Speaker 2:Um, and yeah, people just need to be more critical of these ideas, because none of these people who are voting for Trump and regurgitating this tariff thing not, I won't say none of them, but most of them don't understand that the tariffs actually mean that they will be the ones paying more for these goods, not China or not the country that they put the tariff on. That is not how tariffs work. Like everyone I've seen in these interviews. They're like oh, china's going to have to pay to send their things here. No, you're going to have to pay more for the goods, and that's something they don't understand.
Speaker 1:This is not something that benefits the working class at all isn't it crazy, the lack of education people have gets really exploited yeah, exactly like your weakness is someone else's strength, because they can leverage that against you and create systems which will benefit the rich in getting richer and poor in getting, I guess, staying the same. So you got you know, these, these power, these powerful people, they keep you just comfortably numb. So you don't. There is no uprising, there is no protest. It's, it's, it's quite clever, it's quite clever. Um, but yeah, man, it's. It's been a a great conversation. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
Speaker 2:Um, I mean we can quickly touch on the Mike Tyson and Jake Paul thing.
Speaker 1:Cause. Again, that was in America and it's boxing, and we've both done a bit of boxing. So what did you think of that? I watched it whilst I was flying to Spain. Man, mike Tyson shouldn't have been in there. Look, it was quite sad. I thought in round three I was like he's going to get knocked out. It was very weird that he went the entire eight rounds. Apparently scripts had been leaked that you know that it was scripted. That can't be true I never believed that scripted stuff.
Speaker 1:And there's other thing that, okay, behind the contracts, you know the, there's like conspiracy around the contracts. Uh, as well that, um, you know that, um, that mike had to go eight rounds, you know, for jake paul to get paid, things like that. I don't know if I don't believe these things or not, but, um, what did you make? Do you think the fight was because I didn't see the later rounds? Do you think jake was genuinely struggling, struggling to knock out mike tyson? And at one point it did look like he was literally trying to knock out mike tyson. That's why I felt so sorry for him. Yeah, he was. Look like he was literally trying to knock out Mike Tyson. That's why I felt so sorry for him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought he was definitely trying to knock him out. He was loading up his punches quite a bit. It's not like he was throwing jabs and outboxing him. He was throwing upper hands. He caught him with some big punches as well, but they just did nothing to him, to Mike Tyson. You've got to remember this is not a weight class that Jake Paul really fights at.
Speaker 2:Everyone that Jake Paul has knocked out has been smaller than him. All these, like Nate Diaz and all these Tyrone Woodleys all of them are, compared to him, quite small in stature. Mike Tyson has been a heavyweight his whole life. He's a 58 year old man. Jake Paul, with the boxing experience he has now, should be able to knock him out. He was like 230 kilograms as well, but maybe what this shows is Jake Paul does not really have the power that people thought he did, unless he's fighting someone who is considerably smaller than him.
Speaker 2:Naturally, and also, I think, because he put on so much weight, he looked quite chubby in there. Maybe he got tired really quick. He was trying not to gas out. But yeah, it's sad man. He's a 58 year old, 58 year old man. He shouldn't have been in there. He looked scared when he was walking out into the ring, I thought he's biting his gloves as well, constantly. I don't know if that was some sort of nervous twitch or something. The commentator was saying he always does that, but he was doing it literally constantly yeah, he said that he has a fixation um, probably some trauma thing, who knows.
Speaker 1:But um, yeah, I mean, I feel like jake genuinely struggled I think he tried to knock out mike tyson and he failed and then to in his post fight interview, he said that, oh no, you know what? Like, I did try to take it easy on him and da-da-da-da, but I was like listen, you're actually. That's extremely unethical, because if you have sanctioned it as a pro-fight, you should be then delivering on the entertainment you promised. Do you get what I'm saying? And you said that you were going to knock him out. And if you can knock out the guy, knock him out. Like, stop chatting shit. But I think he was lying. I think he's trying to save face. Yeah, definitely, I think he's lost all respect. No one I don't know, apart from him earning money. What did he really achieve? But I mean Tyson, he won in, in my opinion, because not only did he make the money, he went all the rounds and you know for 58 year old to do that he's a 58 year old man, ever man.
Speaker 1:Like people have no idea how difficult it is to do just two minutes of I don't know, with one minute rest of sparring four rounds. People have idea. And to do that at that weight against a young man, I don't think.
Speaker 2:And he did actually get hit with some hard punches. I don't know how he didn't get knocked out. It's like the punches didn't even phase him. It was 14-ounce gloves, so the gloves were a bit bigger than they would be in an actual, proper sanctioned fight, but still he got hit with some big punches and it was like nothing happened. He's off balance the whole time, though. It was just really weird, man. It shouldn't have happened, it was so it's kind of sad to see.
Speaker 1:Tyson has an explosive style and you know it requires youth and athleticism. And again, his legs weren't really there because of the age. Um, I feel like if he was even 10 years younger he could have I think he could have as well yeah, he would have really hurt jake paul, uh, but jake paul needs to just get his shit together.
Speaker 1:Man, go fight someone around your skill level, same weight as you, same height as you. It doesn't have to be even same height, but someone around your skill level, same weight as you, same height as you. It doesn't have to be even same height, but someone in your weight class at least, because this is getting ridiculous. People are not always going to tune in if he continues this yeah, yeah, I mean, he can do whatever he wants.
Speaker 2:I think people are, like you said, probably going to get less and less interested, unless he takes up interesting fights. Um, but yeah, we'll see what happens with him. Uh, but, but terbiev, or however you'd pronounce his name, I forgot. Let's call him out as well to a fight, which obviously is not going to happen, because he would probably round yeah, one round, he would send him to hospital yeah, he would actually like actually hurt him.
Speaker 2:Um, but yeah, I mean he's. He keeps on boxing, which is good, it's admirable, like no one puts in this much time and effort when they're so comfortable. But yeah, this one, he should not have done that. Fight, man. It's weird, it's messed up. You can't fight a 50-year-old man and then be taunting him as well. When he got caught with that punch and then he stuck his tongue out. What are you doing, man?
Speaker 1:And also Logan Paul. What he said at the end was so distasteful. What did he say? I want to fight your brother. And he was like you know, I will kill you, mike. That's what logan paul said to mike tyson. Like why would you speak to a legend like that, like someone?
Speaker 1:needs to just humble these brothers, man, yeah yeah, he gave him the hated figure he wanted to, because now I want to see him lose. I didn't particularly wanted to see him lose until like this tyson fight, but now I really want to see him lose yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:These people are just weird people, man. All these controversies and things that are coming out as well now, and the way they shrug it off, like with the whole lunchly thing and the crypto scams and the prime and all of this stuff the same thing for mr beast. Mr beast is like the golden boy of youtube and he's in all these controversies and things like that as well. All these people are weird, man.
Speaker 1:There's nothing else to say thank you for watching this episode of last neanderthals. It was a pleasure speaking to you, wally, and we'll catch you next time. Thank you, bye.
